Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1145176)

That's 'cause the MadDog goes when the MadDog is ready to go. Watches don't matter to it...

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1145259)

You know exactly why they are at the top of the payscale... it is not because they are good negotiators.. or that management loves them... you know EXACTLY why they are there.
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Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 1145308)

AE out Monday 17 DC-9's sticking around through 2013. 7 will be retired because they are coming up on heavy checks. DC-9 sim will move to atl. ATL will have some 767 displacements. Discuss.

Originally Posted by Seaslap8 (Post 1145312)

Exactly right, but you'll not see it acknowledged by some...instead we will see the continued lauding of the "SWAPA model", the "far better functioning union". There will be no explanation of the years they they spent as management's lackey with vastly lower pay-scales enabling Herb to undercut the rest of us.

Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1145105)

Using that logic, I guess DALPA could also say,

"In fact the contract pilots demand is available today if the company were to offer it."

Sounds pretty silly, doesn't it?

News flash: the company won't offer it. DALPA is going to have to pony up, earn those cushy perks, and ruffle some feathers to produce results.

I say again: stop rolling over for the company and refusing to hold yourselves accountable for this ridiculous "constructive engagement." Or DALPA's gone.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1145207)

The NMB stuff is just an EXCUSE. Sure, if you do like the APA before their BK and ask for a 50% immediate raise, then maybe the NMB may shake their heads. If you go in asking for a 15% raise the first year, plus 5-7% per year after that, and go for better rules and scope, essentially spreading it out but NOT minimizing it for the sake of being scared, then that should be acceptable. Is ALPA looking for a way out of ACTUALLY NEGOTIATING? Sure, the NMB is a GREAT EXCUSE. AMR and DL are different companies, with different financials. Other than size, you can't compare the two financially at all, and DL has already been through BK and taken care of things that AMR has yet to do, giving us the financial advantage. This type of reasoning is called DEFEATIST reasoning. The NMB is ALPA's Boogie man. Watch out for the Boogie Man, it MIGHT tell us to go in the corner.....oh no! What you are forgetting is that RA and management want to continue the consolidation roll, and don't want distractions from pilot negotiations that could get ugly (and produce a slower SOC if everyone is bogged down in negotiations).

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1145326)

The interesting thing is that if you get a chance to talk with some of their pilots involved in union work they don't want to be at the top.

Originally Posted by Seaslap8 (Post 1145312)

Exactly right, but you'll not see it acknowledged by some...instead we will see the continued lauding of the "SWAPA model", the "far better functioning union". There will be no explanation of the years they they spent as management's lackey with vastly lower pay-scales enabling Herb to undercut the rest of us.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1145156)

It is more a matter of listening to the pilot group and soliciting feedback, something that has been asked for over and over again by the pilot group.

T.O. is really putting a lot of energy into soliciting input from pilots and collecting information so that DALPA can better represent us in all aspects of our career at DAL. This is a small project and really didn't take "time and energy" away from prepping for openers, IMHO.