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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1141501)
cards5.. is that a reference to the now departed Albert?
I still say that LaRussa is the bigger loss to St Louis.. |
Is there any limit on how long a pilot can stay in a mgmt position(with all the perks) and still retain their seniority number? If not, there needs to be. They have the best of both worlds otherwise. Perks of upper mgmt with the fall back of line swine with union protection if they upset their masters. Slow, alpha, sailing?????
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1141486)
The corporate spin-meisters have been hard at it this week! AF 747's in ATL... helping us out, you know--with all of that "aggregate cargo" we've been having such difficulty with.
The 737-900's are coming, and just maybe, they won't all be replacements for higher paying aircraft! We are all set for widebodies for the rest of the decade, thank you! The 100 seat Unicorn Jet isn't quite 'there' yet. The MD-88 used to have triple the segment cost of an RJ-50! (Thanks to terrible lease agreements on the MD's, and a back loaded finance deal with Bombardier) This bid may not be anything to write home about, but the next one...:p But don't frown gents! It could be worse! You could be working for USAir!:rolleyes: unsubscribe... |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1141525)
Is there any limit on how long a pilot can stay in a mgmt position(with all the perks) and still retain their seniority number? If not, there needs to be. They have the best of both worlds otherwise. Perks of upper mgmt with the fall back of line swine with union protection if they upset their masters. Slow, alpha, sailing?????
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1141486)
The corporate spin-meisters have been hard at it this week! AF 747's in ATL... helping us out, you know--with all of that "aggregate cargo" we've been having such difficulty with.
The 737-900's are coming, and just maybe, they won't all be replacements for higher paying aircraft! We are all set for widebodies for the rest of the decade, thank you! The 100 seat Unicorn Jet isn't quite 'there' yet. The MD-88 used to have triple the segment cost of an RJ-50! (Thanks to terrible lease agreements on the MD's, and a back loaded finance deal with Bombardier) This bid may not be anything to write home about, but the next one...:p But don't frown gents! It could be worse! You could be working for USAir!:rolleyes: unsubscribe... I doubt you will ever see a Senior VP of Flight Ops. return to the line! Snake Smith didn't, Harry Alger didn't, Dave Bushy didn't, Joe Kolshack didn't, and I doubt Steve Dickson ever will. Most of the above, even before they crossed over to the dark side, didn't fly very much when they were 'line pilots'. They were much more interested (or felt more comfortable?) in an office job than a cockpit. I only took this job so I'd NEVER have to work in a room with no windows, but these guys seem to love it. There is no shortage of 4th floor wannabee's, that's for sure, but very few ever return to fly the line. Oh, same goes for some ALPA lifer's. Once they get used to making twice what they ever could on the line, and never having to fly an all nighter into a blizzard, with weekends and Christmas off, well, life is good, why would you want to give that up? |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1141538)
Oh, same goes for some ALPA lifer's. Once they get used to making twice what they ever could on the line, and never having to fly an all nighter into a blizzard, with weekends and Christmas off, well, life is good, why would you want to give that up?
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
(Post 1141420)
Disagree - scope seats and management will just have to decide what aircraft to economically use with those seats.
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 1141439)
This just proves that DAL will put 737s in DTW bwfore the 900s come. They LOVE to displace and retrain.
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1141454)
Sailing, I agree with your sentiment exactly, the seat limitation especially with the "jet" moniker attached is an obsolete way of controlling the situation.
The new big turboprops currently entering production/planned will mount a credible challenge to our scope current limits on large aircraft (or lack thereof for props). In the recent past, DALPA had success in limiting a type that exceeded the MTOW limits in our PWA with great success even though the seats were very limited for that type. I'd suggest using a limit of highest certified max gross takeoff weight as the limit to prevent reopening scope talks every time a new aircraft type is introduced to the fleet. Otherwise it just leaves too much "temptation" to use scope as bargaining currency—spent to get something else—which is exactly how we got to where we are today. Cheers George Scientists Develop World's Lightest Metal, 100x Lighter than Styrofoam | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World Limits should apply to seats, cargo, weight and any other metric we can think of for now and in the future. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1141552)
Agreed...mostly. While that's a great way to go about it today, I wouldn't put it past these butchers to order featherweight jets made out of this:
Scientists Develop World's Lightest Metal, 100x Lighter than Styrofoam | Inhabitat - Green Design Will Save the World Limits should apply to seats, cargo, weight and any other metric we can think of for now and in the future. I think all we need is a tape measurer! If it's longer than 50 feet, Mainline flys it! Size Matters, just ask my wife!:eek: |
"...just ask my wife..."
Ending a sentence like that on APC is like gently rolling a ball of yarn across a room full of kittens. |
So, with that info how do we put term limits on them? What is the process to do this? Is it a resolution, loa, or section 6? I don't have a problem with seniority list guys rotating thru these posistions for a ALPA defined amount of time. I do have a problem with them having the best of both worlds for a unlimited time. ALPA insiders (alpha, sailing, slowplay)???
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1141538)
I doubt you will ever see a Senior VP of Flight Ops. return to the line!
Snake Smith didn't, Harry Alger didn't, Dave Bushy didn't, Joe Kolshack didn't, and I doubt Steve Dickson ever will. Most of the above, even before they crossed over to the dark side, didn't fly very much when they were 'line pilots'. They were much more interested (or felt more comfortable?) in an office job than a cockpit. I only took this job so I'd NEVER have to work in a room with no windows, but these guys seem to love it. There is no shortage of 4th floor wannabee's, that's for sure, but very few ever return to fly the line. Oh, same goes for some ALPA lifer's. Once they get used to making twice what they ever could on the line, and never having to fly an all nighter into a blizzard, with weekends and Christmas off, well, life is good, why would you want to give that up? |
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