Won't the new experience requirements take care of this issue regardless of what ALPA does by August 1, 2013?

You're a DPA supporter then, I assume? I signed up after having my expectations managed.

What are you responding to? I don't see any... connection between your reply and my post.

Acl, sailing, PG, other Southies. Hank Halter retired today. Good, bad, neither?

I've never heard of him...but I noticed I did move up 1 number this morning, so he was senior to me!

Congratulations Hank.

The connection is, this network management team is not above the destruction of a Company asset and outsourcing the work to achieve their goals in labor relations. That's the nuclear option and you only need to view Comair's history to know what our management team is capable of.

In my view, management has already engaged in self help through the abuse of our Joint Venture language. The oldest Chess strategy is four moves. Management's Queen has attacking our King’s Bishop Pawn. The clear signal is that collaboration is already off the table.

Yes, It doesn't matter whether we fall under the RLA or the NLRA. It would be nice to negotiate under the NLRA to avoid the lengthy and protracted process of the RLA but our end result is the same and we can still resort to self help.

If the entire pilot community in this country were to band together and stop interstate commerce like the railway workers did a hundred years ago there would be no fines. They would instead amend the 85 year old law like they did back then. Especially under the current administration I think this would be done.

I have an engineer for the Union Pacific in my family. Although I would not want his lifestyle, believe me, his salary is enviable and guess what, he still has his pension set up exactly like ours used to be. If they can achieve it, so can we.

If we are not happy with our union leadership, it is up to us to recall them.

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You thought of one. They indeed are cheaper. I'm not familiar with the costs of operating a telecommunications company but I would bet a long distance phone call gets very good gas mileage. Our service, on the other hand, does not. Our management chooses to pass this cost to it's pilots that are the custodians of their operation. This must stop!

Here ya go... :D

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(Sailingfun is getting quite a collection of these.)

When a 46-year-old guy in his position "retires" suddenly there is always more to the story. Stay tuned.

This ^^^^ attitude is the biggest difference I see as a DALPA subject rather than an NWA ALPA member. "Whistling past the graveyard" is going to do nothing to alter reality. NWA ALPA always went into negotiations fully expecting to have to bet our jobs in the high stakes business of labor negotiations. And they did. Multiple times. Post 911, the company successfully linked pension legislation in Washington with the BK contract and divided and conquered.
DALPA, on the other hand, clings to the perception that we are "All in this together" with management, and "Our Special Relationship" will bring us an equitable response. If we can only let someone else go before us, then we can get Unical, or SWA plus __%. While this pattern bargaining was successful in the past, in case you haven't noticed, the current guys on the "other side of the table" are the same ones that we had to go eyeball to eyeball with at NWA. Until we elect representation that sees opportunity as opposed to danger, all we are doing is waiting for our masters to serve the scraps. It doesn't matter here if you are a widebody CA, LCA, "throne king" on Virginia Avenue or a Mad Dog FO in NYC, every one of us is still in bankruptcy, and the only solace anyone is taking is that they are at least doing better than someone else. We are and have been "flatlined", and hoping that someone else's "turn in the box" changes that, is "whistling past the graveyard".