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In my opinion, it has been far too easy to become an airline pilot in the last ten years. That fact does not improve our leverage at the negotiating table. As such, it's something we need to examine and improve. Getting those flight time requirements passed and enforced should be a top priority at ALPA national, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
(Post 1143693)
This ^^^^ attitude is the biggest difference I see as a DALPA subject rather than an NWA ALPA member. "Whistling past the graveyard" is going to do nothing to alter reality. NWA ALPA always went into negotiations fully expecting to have to bet our jobs in the high stakes business of labor negotiations. And they did. Multiple times. Post 911, the company successfully linked pension legislation in Washington with the BK contract and divided and conquered.
DALPA, on the other hand, clings to the perception that we are "All in this together" with management, and "Our Special Relationship" will bring us an equitable response. If we can only let someone else go before us, then we can get Unical, or SWA plus __%. While this pattern bargaining was successful in the past, in case you haven't noticed, the current guys on the "other side of the table" are the same ones that we had to go eyeball to eyeball with at NWA. Until we elect representation that sees opportunity as opposed to danger, all we are doing is waiting for our masters to serve the scraps. It doesn't matter here if you are a widebody CA, LCA, "throne king" on Virginia Avenue or a Mad Dog FO in NYC, every one of us is still in bankruptcy, and the only solace anyone is taking is that they are at least doing better than someone else. We are and have been "flatlined", and hoping that someone else's "turn in the box" changes that, is "whistling past the graveyard". |
KLM (Royal Dutch Airlines) Professional Pilots - Salary Monday, 26 November 2007 00:37 Pilots Salary in KLM (Royal Dutch Airlines) Rank Annual (Euros) Second Officer Base 36,000* First Officer Base (depending on age) 44,000** Top 162,000** Captain Notes: Base 125,000** Top 230,000** 1. **Rates effective 13.5.06 2. *Rates effective 19.9.06 3. Pension Details last update Due to new Dutch laws the pension scheme has changed as of 01/01/2006. You now build up 1.95% of your total years pay (including your vacation pay and your end year bonus (set at 8%, for pilots employed before April, 2005). Variable between 4-12% depending on company performance for all new pilots, and older ones who have opted for the new scheme. On top of this the company participates in the new "levensloop" saving scheme in order to allow the same pension total as before 01-01-2006. Pilots can opt for this or take the money (average of 6%) and invest or spend it themselves, this will result in a lower pension than before the new law took effect. 1. Current Fleet 15 Boeing 777-200ERs and 9 A330-200. (7/Jan/07) 2. Orders: Starting February, 2008 the first of at least 4 Boeing 777-300ER will start to arrive. And an additional 5 A330-200 options have been converted from options to orders. A Boeing 747-400ERF (freighter) which was initially scheduled to join the fleet in February, 2007 has now been secunded to parent airline Air France for a period of at least 18 months (being operated by Air France crews). Also an additional 4 Fokker 100's are coming in the next year. And 8 more Boeing 737-800's have been ordered as replacements for Boeing 737-400's. Sources: PilotJobsNetwork.com ***** Note the currency converter in the middle of the page and the published date. 6 years ago.****** |
Originally Posted by Kingbird87
(Post 1143693)
This ^^^^ attitude is the biggest difference I see as a DALPA subject rather than an NWA ALPA member. "Whistling past the graveyard" is going to do nothing to alter reality. NWA ALPA always went into negotiations fully expecting to have to bet our jobs in the high stakes business of labor negotiations. And they did. Multiple times. Post 911, the company successfully linked pension legislation in Washington with the BK contract and divided and conquered.
DALPA, on the other hand, clings to the perception that we are "All in this together" with management, and "Our Special Relationship" will bring us an equitable response. If we can only let someone else go before us, then we can get Unical, or SWA plus __%. While this pattern bargaining was successful in the past, in case you haven't noticed, the current guys on the "other side of the table" are the same ones that we had to go eyeball to eyeball with at NWA. Until we elect representation that sees opportunity as opposed to danger, all we are doing is waiting for our masters to serve the scraps. It doesn't matter here if you are a widebody CA, LCA, "throne king" on Virginia Avenue or a Mad Dog FO in NYC, every one of us is still in bankruptcy, and the only solace anyone is taking is that they are at least doing better than someone else. We are and have been "flatlined", and hoping that someone else's "turn in the box" changes that, is "whistling past the graveyard". |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 1143644)
Acl, sailing, PG, other Southies. Hank Halter retired today. Good, bad, neither?
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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1143707)
He replaced Michelle Burns I believe. She was the Stephen Wolf of CFOs.. In other words, the standard set was pretty low, so he was OK I guess..
Halter probably got a better offer somewhere else. CFO's come and go all the time. The new guy is a home grown type. Hired when he was 25 as an analyst at DL, in 1997. That makes him 40 now, about the same seniority as a DL 767 FO. In 2011, his predecessor made 2.25 Million total compensation. Have a nice day:) |
Originally Posted by Kingbird87
(Post 1143693)
This ^^^^ attitude is the biggest difference I see as a DALPA subject rather than an NWA ALPA member. "Whistling past the graveyard" is going to do nothing to alter reality. NWA ALPA always went into negotiations fully expecting to have to bet our jobs in the high stakes business of labor negotiations. And they did. Multiple times. Post 911, the company successfully linked pension legislation in Washington with the BK contract and divided and conquered.
DALPA, on the other hand, clings to the perception that we are "All in this together" with management, and "Our Special Relationship" will bring us an equitable response. If we can only let someone else go before us, then we can get Unical, or SWA plus __%. While this pattern bargaining was successful in the past, in case you haven't noticed, the current guys on the "other side of the table" are the same ones that we had to go eyeball to eyeball with at NWA. Until we elect representation that sees opportunity as opposed to danger, all we are doing is waiting for our masters to serve the scraps. It doesn't matter here if you are a widebody CA, LCA, "throne king" on Virginia Avenue or a Mad Dog FO in NYC, every one of us is still in bankruptcy, and the only solace anyone is taking is that they are at least doing better than someone else. We are and have been "flatlined", and hoping that someone else's "turn in the box" changes that, is "whistling past the graveyard". |
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So, the company can afford to pay FA's nearly what they did pre chapter 11, right? Why not us? Why do some not think we should be back to pre chapter 11? http://drawthelinemidwest.org/wp-con...-the-room5.jpg Is it because, cough cough, some believe we're too expensive? C2K was too much? Pilots shouldn't be paid that much? Different time? Different economy? |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1143713)
life is too short to hate coming to work wondering when management or the other employee groups are gonna screw me.
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Originally Posted by Pro Fessional
(Post 1143683)
When a 46-year-old guy in his position "retires" suddenly there is always more to the story. Stay tuned.
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