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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1143382)
You assume that all people tip 20%. I will tell ya that people are normally a lot cheaper than that! :eek:
We figured at 15%, 4 legs/day....then only $10 tips from 25% of pax....still blows you away. We work for peanuts ! And Management knows it. A Sky Cap at EWR told me once that they pulled in about $120,000 per year...and they proudly wore their hats LOL:eek: |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1143511)
Interesting how you have to completely distort the process in order to make your point. Allowing your own members to see the opener and be updated every step along the way is a healthy process, and it has nothing to do with "negotiating in public". In 32 years, I never remember a single time when it wasn't that way. This will be the very first time.
This must be the latest talking point from DALPA about why they can't show us our own opener. The first talking point was from the Council 20 chairman where his rationale was: "that would be like showing your hand in poker." Evidently, I wasn't the only one that thought it one of the worst attempts at justification I'd ever heard, and now the new defense is to characterize keeping your own members in the loop as "negotiating in public". Ridiculous. Since that time, I've attended a council meeting, a local council meeting where line pilots asked questions, and there there was a lot of debate on this topic. Some good points were made, that I had not considered previously. Apparently, there is a lot of debate at the MEC level as well. I don't know if the other reps want to wait to disclose the opener, or not, but mine are open-minded. They just made the point we don't autmatically show our opener to the world initially, but we do it for a purpose, i.e. just before a strike vote, to show how far apart we are. The mood in the room seemed to be that pilots were willing to give the negotiators lattitude to start negotiating without having table positions in public, assuming the company is not taking an extreme position, and isn't making their opener public. That's the way the discussion evolved. I suppose there is a convergence of ideas on this, because the reps are discussing this very point, and we're discussing this very point with our reps. So I'll ask again: assuming we're not starting out too far apart, and it appears the company is willing to deal, and they're not putting out a public opener, what exactly do we gain by putting ours up? |
Originally Posted by dtwairbus320
(Post 1143423)
**** the RLA! Laws can change. We can make it happen. If we all had balls, and I mean collectively all pilots, when it got down to the wire we would use our toes and stop the entire operation. Are they going to throw us all in jail?
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1143424)
Jesse,
Drink the dam juice, its good for you...I promise:eek: Love, Madoff TEN |
Originally Posted by freightguy
(Post 1143435)
I am well aware of the RLA. RLA is outdated and a definite slap in our collective faces. Few months ago CAPA (Coalition of Airline Pilots), started a national campaign to amend the RLA. CAPA was able to schedule meetings at the national level to amend the RLA and section 1113C of the bankruptcy code. ALPA never joined the fight for reasons unknown. I called and wrote my reps several times and told them that this should be a very high priority item. But as usual, nothing got done.
CAPA scheduled meetings huh? What did they accomplish? If those meetings were a complete waste of time... which is inconceivable the federal government would ever do... I would prefer that our association didn't spend our dues moneys on that waste of time. But that's probably just me.. |
Originally Posted by LuvJockey
(Post 1143493)
At some airlines that is considered management, and you would be labeled as such. Just don your cover (wear your hat) and accept it.
On a truly anonymous and free forum, you would be referred to as what you are. http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...AYrcS7kyxlsqg3 Don't you have more seniority to steal? |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1143609)
So I'll ask again: assuming we're not starting out too far apart, and it appears the company is willing to deal, and they're not putting out a public opener, what exactly do we gain by putting ours up?
As you have read on this board, you've got some who have given up on Delta and are already looking for work elsewhere. For those, the difference between illegal self help and a letter of resignation is scant. Management is availing itself to self help by using the compliance window in our contract to transfer flying to Air France, as well as our other loosely written scope provisions to transfer our work elsewhere. It is a very dynamic situation. Our lack of scope places our union right where I've been writing that it would ... . Our existing scope and opening the JV compliance window to 2015 gave management what they needed for the win. The pain from displacing our senior pilots allows management a lot of individual pressure points where guys aren't going to just up and quit. Management knows they are not going anywhere. The outlet for their frustration is their union. IMHO we might as well kick the can down the road until our widebody scope is enforceable. While the destruction of our flying will be mutually destructive, management has alternatives, we don't. |
Originally Posted by TheManager
(Post 1143558)
Oh, well this guy Capt. Lim from the one and only Royal Dutch Airlines is sure in trouble. According to him and his 2006 payscales, they take in 306K in those A seats and 216K in those in the B seats at the top of the scales. Don't believe it? Look for yourself drvr. You are going to have to get a new talking point briefing after this.
KLM (Royal Dutch Airlines) So, how about them apples drvr? Do you want to try again? Edit. Note the handy currency converter in the middle of the payscale portion. As of now only Emirates and Cathy are on there. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1143615)
One good reason is that we already have a group of semi-disgruntled pilots who will instantly form 12,000 opinions and start badgering their Reps and MEC.
As you have read on this board, you've got some who have given up on Delta and are already looking for work elsewhere. For those, the difference between illegal self help and a letter of resignation is scant. Management is availing itself to self help by using the compliance window in our contract to transfer flying to Air France, as well as our other loosely written scope provisions to transfer our work elsewhere. It is a very dynamic situation. Our lack of scope places our union right where I've been writing that it would ... on the defensive. |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1143589)
Hi, did you know when our debt is paid down to $10 billion by 2013 our interest payments on that debt decrease by $500 million per year? That's an extra $500 million per year we don't have to pay. Some of that would look great in our pockets, especially since we already gave up our pensions for half of the pilot group. But, you knew that......ALPA sure doesn't advertise that very much. We should go after that, it's called restoration.
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