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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1143507)
It's called the Spin Zone. Remember, if they manage to bring down your expectations, then it will be easier for them to say "look we got you what we promised......" .(not really what you deserve).....they are looking for the least path of resistance, on all sides.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1143410)
I recently had an interesting discussion with a rep about this, and about how we put out our C2K opener. He reminded me we put out ours only after the company put up something obscene and ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1143410)
Personally, I was sure we would publish our opener. My reps are asking for input, but made a good point recently: if you're releasing it, you're generally trying to support your negotiating goals, make some sort of an impact. Not satisfy curiosity.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1143410)
So let's say we put out what we want on day 1 of the amendable date.
Then what? In effect, you've announced the end of constructive engagement,
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1143410)
and told Moak to stick it, with his boot-licking attitude, and we're done talking. This is what we want, and we know we deserve it. We're going to do it the old fashion way.
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1143410)
Then what?
Then, nothing. Sound of crickets. Don't bother winding your watch, because this one is going to take a calendar. Like a Mayan calendar, where the world ends in 2012. We can then invite our friends at uCAL and LCC, and have ourselves a barbecue, compare notes. We'll need chicken, because it's cheaper, and maybe a few fourties. They still make Old Milwaukee?
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1143410)
I guess I do want to see the opener, but I also want to see it for a reason, and for some purpose. If it comes out immediately, it tells me the company isn't even close, and it tells me RA is playing defense. And defense under the RLA is the easiest game to play.
Carl |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1143419)
Its a great post until you read the RLA.
Carl |
Originally Posted by dtwairbus320
(Post 1143423)
**** the RLA! Laws can change. We can make it happen. If we all had balls, and I mean collectively all pilots, when it got down to the wire we would use our toes and stop the entire operation. Are they going to throw us all in jail?
Carl |
Originally Posted by freightguy
(Post 1143435)
I am well aware of the RLA. RLA is outdated and a definite slap in our collective faces. Few months ago CAPA (Coalition of Airline Pilots), started a national campaign to amend the RLA. CAPA was able to schedule meetings at the national level to amend the RLA and section 1113C of the bankruptcy code. ALPA never joined the fight for reasons unknown. I called and wrote my reps several times and told them that this should be a very high priority item. But as usual, nothing got done.
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1143441)
Our union president said, about 13 months ago, that crewpass was his #1 priority. We all see how that made a difference.
It is my belief that decoupling airlines from the RLA should be his first priority. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1143524)
This response only proves you have no idea what's in the RLA, or the role of the NMB...or you're just shilling for management.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1143381)
I'm certain that it would send management slinking away because any attempt by management to use another employee group for any reason is forbidden in a Section 6 negotiations under the RLA.
Carl It backfired anyway, since experienced non-contract employees knew from long history that a pilot raise always led to one for them right afterward. One senior mechanic said: "We can see what they're up to. You guys hang in there." |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1143447)
Why again wasn't KLM and AF included in the contract comparisons?
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Originally Posted by dtwairbus320
(Post 1143171)
This is what they have conditioned us to accept. It is up to us to change that. It's also up to us to change the public's perception of what an airline ticket should cost. Doesn't it make you mad when someone you know complains about how expensive that $199 ticket across the country cost them. Are you kidding me? Before regulation airlines were insured to make 12% profit at 50% load factors. How much would that ticket be today adjusted for inflation? Has oil increased since then? Have other operating costs increased since then? I can't think of any other services that have lowered their fee to the public since 1978 except ours.
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