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Originally Posted by dtwairbus320 (Post 1143423)

**** the RLA! Laws can change. We can make it happen. If we all had balls, and I mean collectively all pilots, when it got down to the wire we would use our toes and stop the entire operation. Are they going to throw us all in jail?

Exactly man... I would gladly go to jail for that. I can't strike or go on a work action from my job at a private company! :mad: So much living in a free country, free from government control/manipulation!! It's high time to get rid of RLA. The airline managements have benefited way too long with this, unfairly and at our expense.

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Originally Posted by Thrust Normal (Post 1143329)

First of all I said nothing of what I expect (I don't say that with animosity, I just didn't state it). I just grow tired of the same old catch phrases that get repeated and repeated. I highly doubt any manager, of any power, really cares what we say on here. Sometimes I hardly care:). And also "manage our expectations". I think we're all on sufficient intelligence to think on our own. I always find it ironic the people accusing everyone else of "managine expectations" is the same one trying to push their own agenda. That's all

Anger makes a dull man witty, but keeps him poor.

I'm sorry, but I saw with my own eyes LEC members in "the upper Midwest" lounge Q&A session wince and shake their heads 8 months ago when asked if we can expect a large raise. This was before the survey. That is called "managing expectations.". Those guys are supposed to take our wants to the negotiators, and then THEY are supposed to negotiate. That is how it is supposed to work. That is why people are angry and some push new bargaining units.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1143338)

Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.

Why again wasn't KLM and AF included in the contract comparisons? I was told DALPA needed help with the Translation. Talk about "Lost in Translation.". They couldn't wait an extra week and hired someone? The KLM pilots generally speak great English, they could have done it. They do the same stuff we do across the Atlantic. Yes, there are some difference socially like mandatory vacation and healthcare, but denote that at the bottom. Really, there is no excuse. When airlines are left out, it stil seems to point at managing expectations.

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1143447)

I wonder if there is a European equivalent to airlinepilotforums and if so, would they share some data? Anyone know?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1143401)

All you have to do is talk to your reps. They are not going to give details but they will give you a general idea. A survey online by DPA has no validity to what pilots actually put in the real survey they knew was going to be used to construct a opener.

The DPA survey was valid in my case - I stated 30% up front in both the DPA survey and the DALPA survey, or my vote will be NO. The DPA Survey showed a median 37% increase.

If the company is committed to "industry standard" pay then the executives should set the example. Standard airline CEO pay seems to be about $3M annually.

2009 Airline CEO Compensation (AP data):-

1.*** Richard H. Anderson, Delta Air Lines – $8.4 million
2.*** Gerard J. Arpey, American Airlines – $4.7 million
3.*** William S. Ayer, Alaska Airlines – $4.3 million
4.*** Glenn F. Tilton, United Airlines – $3.9 million
5.** *Lawrence W. Kellner – former CEO, Continental Airlines – $3.3 million
****** *(Jeffery A. Smisek – current CEO, Continental Airlines – $0.0)
6.*** Douglas Parker, US Airways – $2.6 million
7.*** Robert L. Fornaro, Airtran Airways – $2.0 million
8.*** Mark B. Dunkerley, Hawaiian Airlines – $1.8 million
9.*** Gary C. Kelly,*Southwest Airlines – $1.6 million**
10.**David Barger, Jetblue Airways – $1.5 million

Now if you're going to make the argument that great talent costs more, then the same is true of the pilot group.

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Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 1143297)

Yea, but when it comes to RJs I bet that same ALPA rep will tell you that it's the ASMs not the block hours that matter.

Someone just won a chicken dinner.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1143451)

I wonder if there is a European equivalent to airlinepilotforums and if so, would they share some data? Anyone know?

PPrune maybe?

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1143362)

Whatever happened to escort quality, escort pricing?

We give em the full on GFE for less than a hooker cost 20 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1143381)

I'm certain that it would send management slinking away because any attempt by management to use another employee group for any reason is forbidden in a Section 6 negotiations under the RLA.

Carl

Especially when the main reason they are doing so is to promote "keeping unions off the property" as rationale for their arguement to the NMB in the first place.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1143162)

I agree. Anyone that is looking at Expat jobs knows that many of the require a copy of your resignation letter from your previous employer. They will probably mail one in as well. That is just industry standard.

Before you can start class at Emirates, they need a signed letter from your company stating that you have tended your resignation.