Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1143338)

Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.

Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1143277)

Technically, that's true -- but they may think it will be necessary in order to keep other unions off the property.

Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1143277)

It's always useful to know what your opponent is thinking during negotiations, even if (and perhaps especially if) their thinking is erroneous.

Originally Posted by dtwairbus320 (Post 1143295)

Hundreds of people trust us to fly them in a multimillion dollar thin metal tube at 35,000 feet going 600mph over great distances every time we go to work. Stop and think about that.NA

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1143355)

I'm quite certain that's what management thinks. But that has no bearing on us pilots. None. My first rebuttal to that line of "reasoning" to management would be: "Why do you not want unions on the property?" My second rebuttal would be to say: "Let's see what the NMB has to say about you wanting to inject another non-union employee group into our Section 6 negotiations." That would be the last you ever hear about that.

Carl

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1143353)

SF,

Respectfully, I know what you are talking about. The majority of pilots I have talked with have their expectation managed. They tell me they dont think the company will pay us more than 15-20%. Kind of like a stockholm syndrome situation. They also mention that they dont think ALPA will go after much more than that.<---I dont know why they think this way??

TEN

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1143064)

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1143294)

Do YOU really think that we could obtain a 50% pay increase while everybody else is wallowing in BK contracts... and the once largest carrier is about to be handed one?

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1143294)

Frankly I wish we could extend our contract for a year or two. I would take that rumor of an extension for a 20% raise in a heartbeat because once the debt is down, I am convinced that DAL is gonna kick some serious a$$... but that is just me.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1143338)

Thats not what was reflected in the contract surveys.

Originally Posted by dtwairbus320 (Post 1143295)

Excellent thought! However, I think we all busted our asses to get where we are and are willing to protect this job as a professional career and not a trade. At least I am. Speaking as a junior guy who knew no one at this airline and managed to get on I am extremely grateful to be here. I don't feel entitled to anything except what we are worth and nothing less. Right now we are nowhere near where we need to be.

How we perceive ourselves is what it's all about. If we have the attitude that we should accept less because someone else will do it cheaper is not the right attitude. Hundreds of people trust us to fly them in a multimillion dollar thin metal tube at 35,000 feet going 600mph over great distances every time we go to work. Stop and think about that. The level of trust and responsibility the public and our management places in our hands is not comparable to any other "trade." There are many other professions that pay more with much less responsibility.

The new flight time requirements are a great idea.

NA

Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 1143356)

My F/O and I figured how much we would make if just working for tips,....only. Figure it out, and be ready to be blown away!

We are on the 88 and figured tips at 15%, with 100% participation....then 50%...then 25%...then....(still blown away)......