Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1144791)

Elvis,

Comparing the successes of SWAPA, to the perceived success of what DPA's "empty promises" of what they think they could bring, if they were our bargaining agent is purely speculative, at best. For gods sake, they can't even muster enough support to reach a point where they're brought to a vote by the collective group. How are they going to stand a chance against management? (Are they going to say something like, "I know we don't have quite the support we think we need to go on strike, but by golly, we have people submitting cards."):rolleyes:

Good day,

GJ

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1144789)

GJ,

If the TA is weak, those 4000 people who did turn in DPA cards (and would easily do it again if needed to re-up their status) will turn into 6500 easily, and then all you need is one more vote than half of the total pilots, and ALPA is GONE. If the TA is weak during this period of HUGE profits, then the vote may come sooner than you think. Go ahead, vote for ALPA, I will cancel your vote if that TA sux.

Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1144793)

GJ, if ALPA brings it weak, they are history. Any alternative is superior.
Good evening.

Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1144785)

How are they going to do anything better, more cheaply, or more efficiently than D-ALPA, when they're unable to even garner enough cards to bring their "cause" to a member vote? (Yes, I know Carl thinks their 4400 submitted cards is equivalent to 4400 votes, but please be realistic.):rolleyes:GJ

Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1144794)

Bill,

I respect your opinion, and to be fair, can only say, "we will see". It is my opinion, that their are more "chest thumping keyboard rangers" than there are people willing to take action if D-ALPA produces something inadequate.

Just my .02

GJ

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1144787)

How about the SWAPA model?

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1144803)

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1144792)

I head ACL say this wasn't true last year in ATL so I just showed this thread to a C20 rep and he pulled up some ALPA report that he said we can all get to. I don't know how but he said it was on the website. I can't find it so he said



As of last year it's gone, they just rent him something now and he gets taxed on it.



Also gone.



The current President's car is $383 a month. Wasn't clear if that included insurance and gas.



It was reduced(?) to $355,120 and that includes the salary, per diem, value of the apartment and car for IRS taxing purposes and any other imputed income.



Said their newsletter explained this better than he could and was also online?



Same for this this.



He said the President only gets a pensions for the years he's not at the airline getting his 401K. Wasn't sure of percent but said it worked out to less than what we get percentage-wise.



Said it was one meeting. Said other stuff was going on and wouldn't elaborate on whether it could have been done somewhere cheaper?



Said 2011 President's Per Diem worked out to about $65 per day, but would get back to me on that number as he said TC had done some math wrong in his totals when he copied it.

Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1144696)

Art (and ACL, for that matter), you don't need to convince me. You're preaching to the choir. Please get your DALPA buddies on board with the above statement. Large pay increases, huge QOL improvements, or a blend...SHOW ME THE MONEY.

DPA is waiting in the wings.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1144804)

It's ok to "mill around" in support of management when management continually keeps you at the top of the payscale, and seems to look out for your interests (with the AT merger). Sounds good. Let's go for that model... Do you NOT want that? (to be at the top of the scale and what seems like support FROM management, along with no RJs and very few code shares)