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I guess No AE today....... What you guys think? Next Friday the 9th?

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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1144689)

Sampras (AKA Carl) is on his way to a grand slam on center court. McEnroe is going back and forth between crying and yelling in the corner.

Wow.. that was almost witty.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1144623)

He did and was replaced by a 40 y/o. Hank has been quiet and short at the last few investor calls. Him leaving does not surprise me. I wondered why there was a change in his level of involvement in the investor calls. On a side note, it is hard to be CEO here when the former CEO is your boss and the one that has all the pull, connections and expertise of the airline and industry.

That Comair CEO left yesterday too.

I bet there are a few more that will retire or leave to spend more time with their families.

Listen to the comments from a few of our top leaders who genrally comment during the investor calls. Go back and listen to their comments and level of input in 2009, 2010, and 2011. I suspect a marked change in the way our leadership is running this airline. (Just my take based on what I have seen/heard from these leaders and the changes I have seen over the last few years) I made a mental note of it a few months ago. Be interesting to see if any thing else pans out.

So good trend vector or bad trend vector?

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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1144593)

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I would like to introduce you to Sheri. Her dream is to be a FA for Delta.

TEN

Over qualified.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1144687)

I think my difficulty with pay banding is that it really puts the cart (pay) before the horse (scope). Without ironclad (adequate) scope, I think pay banding is a bad idea. With ironclad scope (Delta seniority list pilots fly delta passengers. period) I think it is not so bad an idea and workable, but also not perfectly optimal.

That said, merger, fragmentation, acquisition language would have to be updated in a similarly ironclad way.

In our seniority based world, it will always be worse to be junior than to be senior. Pay banding doesn't necessarily lower the ladder down to the junior any more than productivity pay pulls the ladder up. All it does is encourage the senior to fly the type of trips/aircraft they prefer to fly and the junior get what's left.

That's my brief take on the whole thing.

I also am concerned with this. If we had longevity pay around the average of our pay for existing aircraft, that could make it even more difficult to get smaller planes (i.e. a "hundred seater") and push for a small number of extra super premium widebody planes to fly similar numbers of seats/pounds with fewer pilots.

Either way though many seem to agree that some level of pay banding could make a lot of sense. Its kind of silly that an MD90 pays less than a 737-700 or A319.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1144691)

doesn't perdiem based pay bone the reserve pilots - especially the commuting to reserve unused pilots?

At 2 bucks an hour, not really. At 10 or 15, yeah. Big time. And most of it would be taxable anyway.

We need to take over how this debate is framed. Which would wall street "freak out" about more:
1. DL pilots get a massive, sudden 40% pay raise all the while our managers are squealing about impeding liquidation because of it while actively stoking the embers of mass media hysteria and Bolshevik populism with other work groups.
2. DL pilots merely achieve profitable LCC parity on par with SWA while managers praise themselves for keeping our per pilot costs in line with a low cost competitor despite our significantly higher per pilot revenue and point out to other work groups that pilots are still significantly below...more so than any other work group...their pre-Bankruptcy compensation package.

One is a massive, earth shattering raise on the backs of the poor abused 99% and a finger in the eye of the noble shareholder...Oh the humanity! The other is merely parity with one of the best run, most profitable low cost airlines in the history of the world.

On a related note, we will very soon get to see RA's true colors as well as everyone on his team. If they start the doom and gloom spin machine over something as reasonable as SWA parity (or less?!) it will be clear that their strategy is to paint themselves into a corner from day one. If they at least concede to SWA parity (rates and W-2) they can spin a very large "partial restoration" to the pilot group as holding the line against an aggressive low cost competitor. The choice is theirs.

ACL,

Several pages ago you intimated about DAL management's conduct regarding possible mergers, but were rather vague.

I know you like to connect dots and I would appreciate it if you would do some dot connecting (WRT mergers) in a less vague fashion; I.E.: specifics.

Thanks...

PS Feel free to PM me if you think that's more appropriate.

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1144665)

Some how I get the feeling that no matter what DALPA does in this contract will ever be enough and that no matter what there will always be the most vocal few here on APC that will spin everything to "I told you so".... :(

I disagree. I, along with many others, are waiting to see how ALPA does on this contract. If they deliver whats expected, then I will be proud of my MEC and my union. If not, then the DPA has my support.

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1144666)

You get paid to fly from point a to b safely. No differently than a dc-9 dude. Do the rampers who load your airfracft get paid more?

Hmm, I guess a DC-9 pilot is doing the same job as an RJ dude. How do you think that will work out for us?

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Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1144665)

Of course there will always be those who compulsively beetch and moan but I, and many others, will gladly give DALPA the credit for the big piles of money we'll be rolling around in after this contract is in place:rolleyes: