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Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1144316)

I get a kick out of this. Don't you guys see that they are doing the same thing to you that they have already done to the regionals? They are simply moving the ticket brokerage up a level, and soon your customer wont know or care which "skyteam" airline they are flying on.

You're new here aren't you.

Carl

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144388)

-The net result is less pay AND as a bonus, a crappier QOL over the course of a career to keep this same system because if you want to maximize your retirement, you have to either a)fly more, or b) bid an airplane where you have no seniority.. Hobson's choice. they both suck, and it is so unnecessary.

Not to mention having to commute across the country to fly a higher-paying aircraft...

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144098)

Exactly. At Delta, an 870,000 pound airplane pays the same as a 620,000 pound airplane.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144365)

I'm not debating Carl... I don't even read his drivel anymore..

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144376)

I am only responding to this because somebody quoted it. So what? You have a Napolean complex?

Since you haven't been reading the whole topic, you're ill-informed. The topic is pay banding. Iceman reminded us all that we already have pay banding at Delta. I responded with my post above.

It's simply a fact. Nothing to do with right, wrong or personal complexes. Just a reiteration that we already have pay banding at Delta.

Carl

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1144142)

Probably not 100% legal in a lot more places than those, but when someone waltzes into your house that shouldn't be there, what the distinguished "lady" from San Francisco thinks really doesn't matter.

She doesn't look too happy about this comment scambo...

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Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144424)

She doesn't look too happy about this comment scambo...

Carl

Please Jesse quick! PAN-PAN, PAN-PA... MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY

And no georgetown coed law students jesse!

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144424)

She doesn't look too happy about this comment scambo...

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Carl

Come on Carl:eek:. I almost PUKED. That is one "RATHER" style photo. I, second, Jesse or Super to inject some medicine to offset this NASTY picture. PUKE

TEN

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144422)

No.. we really don't have pay banding. Not in any appreciable amount anyway. Yeah I guess you could make the argument that because the 757-767 pays the same that the biggest fleet is "banded" but that doesn't really hold water. Other than that, we have 34 airplanes banded.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144376)

Since your airplane is bigger it has to pay more?

Not necessarily. It's just the way ALPA contracts have been written since prior to the jet age.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144376)

Why oh great one should that be?

The theory goes back to the introduction of jets. Jets not only vastly increased capacity, but vastly increased speed. Both were huge increases in productivity per hour of piloting. ALPA fought hard for pay increases based on this productivity. Management fought it extremely hard. Management wanted pilots to be paid the same.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144376)

Why don't you justify to the other 11,500 pilots why YOU, the great magnificent Carl, should make way more than everybody else when the day to day JOB you do is no more difficult than the job that 88Driver does.

It was what ALPA fought hard for. It had nothing to do with ol Carl. Unions get insulted constantly for being afraid of more productivity. It's a slur. ALPA fought hard back in the day, and won the right to be paid via productivity. To me, it has always made economic sense to pay per productivity. For me personally, I would prefer to fly day trips on the 757. That would be my idea of the ideal gig. I don't do that because it's not the best financial decision for me. If we move away from pay based on productivity, we play into the hands of those who wish to taint us with the brush of being afraid to be productive.

It has NOTHING to do with my job being any harder than anyone elses.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144376)

(It could be argues that HIS job is harder because you sit on your a$$ for 13 hours and he is fighting the weather and new hires...).

It could be argued that way, and could be argued another way. Truth is, both jobs have significant risks and skill requirements. That's a given. The only question is whether you pay pilots based on the amount of revenue they produce based on the aircraft they fly.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1144376)

Please please please educate me

I can only give you my opinions and the historical background of how we got here.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1144424)

She doesn't look too happy about this comment scambo...

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Carl

Admitting this in public, but I think my post was a little cuter....