That is so disingenuous that it's nearly PURE BS. LEC resolutions have asked for this study many times and you unelected MEC bureaucrats have steadfastly refused.

Furthermore, negotiations is NOT about making us cost competitive with some bottom feeding regional. Negotiations is about first wanting something as the objective, then spending capital as necessary to make it happen. Unbelievable.

The FACT is that your MEC and sadly, MEC's before you DO NOT WANT this flying at mainline for whatever sick and twisted reason. Moak used to say that kind of flying was beneath the mainline pilot. I'm afraid that arrogant legacy lives on.

Carl

Delta already has all that, and it's in place and running today (except the AE, that is).

Unfortunately the pilots are on a separate list.

They will on the way up...but are legally unenforceable on the way down. If/when mainline flying drops, we (DALPA) will be in no legal position to demand this worthless language of forcing RJ airlines to reduce their block hours be enforced. The company flat won't do it, and tell us to grieve it later. The affected RJ airline certainly won't do it voluntarily, and would sue ALPA on a DFR if forced. That's the sad reality.

Carl

Things are moving so fast, I almost missed this.

So, are you saying we could have had inroads into 70 seat flying, but someone determined the pay wasn't enough and mainline expenses were too high?

I wish they had sent that out in the TA. (Not trying to be flip. Seriously.)

That has nothing to do with negotiations. Negotiations are about knowing the process, and using it to your maximum advantage. Our MEC is saying YES to the very first offer before real section 6 negotiations even begins. How can you not see the problem there?

Do you not remember our MEC chairman begging us to give them a chance to show us all what a great job they can do with the first Section 6 negotiations that has occured on the property in over a decade? Is this it? Running from the table before Section 6 even begins and waving a victory flag?

Carl

The math largely depends on the timeframe.

Yes, the TA will reduce DCI seats for the short term (as 50s are parked early and 90s added). Looking long term, however, going from 255 to 325 large RJs will mean more DCI seats, since the 50s are being pulled down under either scenario.

The company is already thinking two moves ahead in this game, so perhaps you need to consider how many seats will be at DCI when you need to negotiate again?

You can call it the time value of seats.

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I said was that we were not cost competitive for 76 seat flying (even worse for 70). There were no inroads available to make.

What about the exception for 99,900 lb Delta Private Jets?

I think #3 is right.

Cut the 737 and 767 out of the MBH : DBH ratio? Absolutely.

Run the ratio off the 717, MD88 (not the 90) and 752. If you did that after we had acquired the 188 new jets and they went to the 450 jet fleet the ratio would near 1.0. If we kept the 1.56 ratio they'd have to reduce from 450 aircraft to 283. So I think at a minimum we should have more airplanes here then there on an apples to apples CASM basis, i.e. better than 1.0 in our favor.

By tying that ratio to the bigger domestic jets they're able to increase that DCI fleet to the temporary 450 hard cap for now max.

I say all of that because if the CRJ-900 = Mainline CASM if not better, then we should only tie the block hours of those planes most threatened by the CRJ-900 only. Take out the 739, 763, 738, 90 and 753, and keep the ratio with the 752, MD88 and 717.

Hence the CRJ-900 ain't a 100 seat killer, it's David killing off Goliath.

My issue is as stated above, allowing the block hours from longer range domestic airplanes count in the calculation therein allowing the number of large RJs to swell and still meet the 1.56 ratio.

FWIW, played with the PBS staffing formula a few weeks ago. Would love to have the actual input data to play with. Had to guesstimate.

:rolleyes:
I answered your question. Just ran the numbers out using the fleet based off your 3.6M block hours and 53.9% belonging to mainline and let excel do the rest.

Sorry it took a few hours but hey, there is only so much time I have to fight for this pilot group here relying on information as it dribbles out and raise a family.

Maybe you better check with your reps again...

As I said, you can't handle the truth.:p