Nu had a great suggestion and Alpa can put a stop to all of this. Take it down eat some crow and fix it so that it passes and quickly. Alpa would be the winner for its pilots. DPA never becomes a serious threat or question.

The issues guys are bringing up are glaring and significant but easily fixable.

Is that because it's the only one? :D

The funny thing about all of this is that we are shooting holes in this contract trying to find a way around provisions that management might exploit, yet we all believe managment when they tell us, Wall Street, the other 70,000 employees and the other airlines who will "match" our pay that this is "cost neutral." On one hand we don't believe managements plan, which I say is clearly defined because they want to take lift from DCI and move it to DL vis a vis 717 (fact) and then we believe a stupid press release meant to tell the rampers not to expect anything more than they are already getting. ***? Ford & Harrison et al has us chasing our tails.

I dunno? Looking at the positives and negatives in this deal really has me wonder about real day one valuation increases.

Do you know if we had to pay through a bargaining credit or work rule concessions for the early out? Did they mention that in the slc crew room?

I agree, I have a hard time adding up the company 'gains" and matching it with pilot 'gains'.

The early out should have been offered with all other employee groups right before the last MD bid...

I'm sure there are more than a few pilots commuting or on a smaller jet because of not offering the plan to all employees.

Cheers
George

I must have missed the early out part. I've met plenty of FO's that said they want old guys bought out though. Too many if you ask me.

You reminded me. Did anyone find the commuting policy in the TA? Is it now contractual?

I'm sure they said that but not to be at the expense of work rule changes that cost them the ability to bid a vacated spot because it does not need to be filled.

Heyas ACL,

Thanks, but the egos involved probably make that improbable.

The parallels to this and CRM/TEM are striking. The psychology is unmistakable.

This could be DALPA's finest hour. Swallowing some pride, taking heed, going back in and doing some badly needed cleanup and addressing the issues.

It could be a home run. DPA would evaporate overnight, and all Delta pilots would be unified.

Instead, this will be most likely left to fester. God Forbid that this thing passes, and you will have a large segement of your pilot group eternally ****ed, and the DPA grows stronger, ensuring our pilot group will NOT be unified for the next storm.

Nu

<<<<<<+1>>>>>>> They can make it so and avoid the embarrassment.