Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1198220)

Ok are we subleasing the jets or not?

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1198259)

This is from Steve Dickson's latest email, and the first I have heard of a limit on the number of early outs (bolding is mine). Do we have the company pinned down to a minimum number on this?



"I also wanted to take a moment to discuss the proposed early out program with retiree medical benefits. This program is very similar in nature to the Retiree Medical Account (RMA) Program offered earlier in 2012 to ground employees and flight attendants. In order to be eligible, your actual or deemed age must be at least 50 and you must have actual or deemed service of at least 18 years, with the combined actual or deemed age and service equaling or exceeding 73, measured as of June 30, 2013. The company has committed to approve participation based on seniority to the maximum number possible without adversely impacting the operation. What this means is that if the TA is ratified by the pilot group, early retirements will be granted until any position would reach a critical staffing level. Once one position reaches this threshold, the retirement program will be closed for all pilots due to the seniority constraint."

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1198274)

I read that too and it looks like no planned backfil for those retirements. Bummer

Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1198274)

I read that too and it looks like no planned backfil for those retirements. Bummer

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1198284)

Not true. The "critical staffing level" he is referring to means they can't train the replacements in the alloted time (by 6/30/13). So if 50% of a category elects the early out, and Delta can replace those guys, they have to accept all those guys into the program, and train all their replacements (or as many as are required for that category).

Originally Posted by bigdaddie (Post 1198287)

I think two things in this TA should be addressed. Fix section 1, NO MORE 76+ seat RJs. Next, throw us another 10% in pay/retirement. Until I see this, I'm still a solid NO. For those of you that are tempted by the "growth airplanes," you need to "grow up" and see that this "plan" may or may not materialize. Delta is on schedule to make nearly $2B in profit this year with possible year over year repeat performance and we cannot even get close to C2K levels of pay and work rules.

PATHETIC

BD

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1198284)

Not true. The "critical staffing level" he is referring to means they can't train the replacements in the alloted time (by 6/30/13). So if 50% of a category elects the early out, and Delta can replace those guys, they have to accept all those guys into the program, and train all their replacements (or as many as are required for that category).

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1198298)

Guys,

Its clear that there are some glaring and critical errors that have been made with this TA.

It is time to practices some TEM... Threat and error management.

Several of the threats have already been listed...it is time to manage the errors before they lead to an unacceptable outcome.

Remember, the goal of TEM is not to assign blame, but to put the aircraft in a safe condition, reevaluate, and move ahead.

I see some of the supporter's postings, and I'm just reminded of an stubborn guy, pressing a bad, unstable approach, when the SAFEST course of action is to go around, get the aircraft stable, and set up for another approach...one that follows the criteria more closely.

Alfa said :"If your deal is the 76 seat issue then vote no, that is what memrat is for. I still don't understand what this issue is with Republic and Skyteam, I haven't yet heard one description of this that makes a lick of sense to me. Why would Delta try to make Frontier grow and prosper? They can't put any Delta passengers on Frontier or some C-Series jet whenever that paper airplane actually flies"

The last time I heard hubris like this was from the fNWA NC saying that there was no possible combination of events that would lead NWA to park then DC-9s in favor of the 76 seaters. "They need the lift" we were told.

We all know how that turned out. Are we ready to make exactly the same mistake again?

There have been a number of cases where TA's have been pulled from consideration to. E reworked. It's time we thought about doing that.

Nu