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So Steve Dickson is going to give the 717 bid this fall to AT pilots?

From Dickson's weekly update:
"Deliveries of the 717s would start in the middle of 2013 at a rate of about 3 per month, and we would plan on a bid this fall to begin staffing the category.* The 717 will be a separate category, and the TA has established pay rates equivalent to DC-9 rates.**"

I simply want legally binding proof that pilots aren't coming with the planes. A memo from Steve Dickson isn't going to soothe my discomfort. A lot of AT CA's will be losing their CA seat due to this, and will take a considerable hit in income. You can bet they'll be fighting for their fragmentation clause. If they come with the planes, it's essentially a pointless move for Delta pilots.

scambo1

05-26-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by whitt767 (Post 1198051)

If you think people are out to get you, they probably are.

This probably affects you more than me, I don't know if you were being TIC or not.:confused:

slowplay

05-26-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1197972)

Ding Ding Ding

Even better with this TA we would permit adding the top-of the pay scale CRJ-900 at DCI. Meanwhile the new jets at Delta will be at the bottom of the pay-scales.
Cheers
George

Yup, half the seats added are at the bottom of the payscale, the same place that the DC-9 currently being flown by Delta FO's is located. The other half (Capt) are in the middle of the payscale, well above what you're currently at. And all those seats aren't at RJ payscales.

If you don't like the 717, then you'd really hate adding RJ's to mainline, as those would really cause a lot of displacements with your logic.:rolleyes:

slowplay

05-26-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1198057)

2012 0%
2013 0%
2014 0%
2015 0%

This correlates with having half you airline outsourced and living under a grossly unfair Railway Labor Act which results in your negotiating leverage being ... wait for it ... 0%.

But somehow you seem to want to keep it that way (at least 46% outsourced) and you seem to think that's better than the maximum 39% outsourced...go figure.

acl65pilot

05-26-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198063)

But somehow you seem to want to keep it that way (at least 46% outsourced) and you seem to think that's better than the maximum 39% outsourced...go figure.

Not sure that is what he meant. He was yes leaning until he saw the loopholes, that he sees as negating the positive costing.

slowplay

05-26-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1197919)

You're right Buzz, but what really gets me is Tom's statement that this TA is cost neutral to the company. Amazing. That was my bar napkin math on it as well, but slowplay/sailingfun were saying it was over 300 million a year.
Carl

Carl, if DCI costs were to decrease by $1Billion and DL mainline pilot costs were to increase by $1Billion solely due to our new PWA, it would be cost neutral...to Delta. The Delta pilots would be $1Billion ahead.

You can't handle the truth...;)

Bucking Bar

05-26-2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198063)

But somehow you seem to want to keep it that way (at least 46% outsourced) and you seem to think that's better than the maximum 39% outsourced...go figure.

Using your logic, why not just outsource the 787 fleet?

slowplay

05-26-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1198067)

Using your logic, why not just outsource the 787 fleet?

Now where did I say that? Explain the logic, devoid of the "feelings" that you posted in the Republic thread, please.

acl65pilot

05-26-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198066)

True if all of the cost increases came to the pilots. They generally don't. Further we will on avg fly a ratio of 1.1.25 on these 717's to the 50 seater. There are cost savings to the company that cannot be transferred to pilots, like gates, fuel, landing fees etc..

Bucking Bar

05-26-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1198066)

Since Mike Campbell has training to prevent his being offensive to those he works with, let us use his words to describe what Slowplay is trying to say:

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Originally Posted by UVA Law School Grad

The fleet changes provided by this agreement, coupled with the productivity and profit sharing changes, cover the investments in our employees.

Slow's logic is spot on though.

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