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UncleSam 05-26-2012 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1195006)
Has anyone asked Alfa yet why he and his constructive engagement didn't find it appropriate to ensure that Delta Jets are flown by Delta pilots? He keeps hinging everything on the smoke and mirrors of compound interest and pay issues which are ok. They're a 50.01% pass. But yet no one can come clean and explain to me why the most qualified pilots in the Delta system were passed over for a fleet of 70 aircraft (because you know GD well the 717s are growth-neutral).
Explain. Someone. Please.

Well, unless someone else explains this, I will give it a shot. Delta Private Jets is a 135 charter operation. Delta does not own the jets, only operates them (kinda like DCI). The jets for the most part are owned by other entities that are just looking for a way to keep the jets busy when they are not using them. They come with pilots for the most part that work for the company that owns the jets. I'm not sure we want to be a part of that. JMO

CAAC ATP 05-26-2012 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1198337)
<<<<<<+1>>>>>>> They can make it so and avoid the embarrassment.

Is this even in the realm of possibilities? Can ALPA take a TA that isn't fairing well with the pilots and simply pull it down and return to the table?

That would be a very interesting situation.

1234 05-26-2012 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1198334)
You reminded me. Did anyone find the commuting policy in the TA? Is it now contractual?


No change to the commuting policy in the PWA that has been in there since the merger.

orvil 05-26-2012 04:48 PM

Per Diem
 
I know it's a small item buried in the TA, but details do matter. Most legacy fall in the 2.00 range. SWA was 2.15.

Proposed Per Diem: 2.10/2.20 dom 2.60/2.70 intl.

Current Per Diem at FDX

Per Diem :
$2.15/hr (dom)
$2.95/hr (int'l)

Current Per Diem at UPS

Per Diem :
$2.40/hr (dom)
$3.05/hr (int'l)*
$3.55/hr (Pac Rim)*
$4.05/hr (Europe)*

*revised each January using formula (figures shown for 2012)

These new per diem rates are less than we received in 2000. But, I can't find those exact numbers.

Last time I looked, the cost of living had increased around the world. This is an item that should have been addressed and a better result should have be achieved. I bet RA doesn't have to eat ramen noodles when he travels.

One of many shortfalls in the proposed TA

tsquare 05-26-2012 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1198186)
Seriously folks, ax yourself this question: If the company's intention was to give us a take it or leave it TA, then try to jam the bat up our a$$ by making each one worse if we say NO, why wouldn't they have waited to do that until 36 months from now? You'd get to show those idiot pilots who the real boss is, and save on any pay raises for 3 more years. Why would they do this?

The answer is so obvious. THEY can't wait 36 months. Now that we know from slowplay that the opportunity was for them to get out of our CURRENT contract so they can do something about the 50 seat RJ situation that is killilng them, who has the NEED to do this as quickly as possible? Thus who has the leverage?

Please read the DTW LEC Chariman's letter where he clearly states that the timelines and deadlines were clearly artificial and set by the company. It all adds up to NEEDS for the company and LEVERAGE for us. I absolutely promise that if you vote YES on this, you'll feel like a Bernie Madoff victim in short order.

Take it from an old fart, I've seen this movie before.

Carl

You might be old, but you are a very one dimensional thinker.

Carl Spackler 05-26-2012 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1198250)
The hard part is finding a path to vote no and then up with more scratch in your pocket. The negotiating committee worked their tails off and used an expanded team of professionals. They didn't just decide one day to quit negotiating and send out the results. This was a careful process that was carefully executed. If you vote no, then you better have a plan that gets us more money.

No, YOU better have a plan that gets us what the pilots are asking for in their surveys if we vote this down. If you and your other "strategic thinkers" went into this with no plan B, let us know now so we can get some professionals to replace you.

Really man, you're not seriously saying that the MEC has no plan in the event the members utilize their rights to vote this down, are you?


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1198250)
Hope is not a strategy. Wishing is not a strategy. Anger is not a strategy.

You've spent WAY too much time around Moak. This sounds EXACTLY like him. But understand this: No alternate strategy and no plan B is also not a strategy.

Carl

orvil 05-26-2012 04:54 PM

Why The Delay
 
Defined Contribution increased by 1% on 1/1/14
Results in 13% DC + 2% DPSP (401k) = 15% total

Let's not even discuss the 1% increase. But, why the delay. Why not on 1/1/13? Why not 7/1/12?

Why the delay? Why not at date of ratification. No good reason that I can understand.


Carl Spackler 05-26-2012 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1198316)
SLC briefing said the DPA question is an issue. NMB lady said if there is a representational issue on the property they will put us on ice until it's finished. Worst case we go to mediation and have a vote open at the same time. Some guy in the back of the lounge said we should vote it in, take the money and then vote for representation in time for the openers in early 2015 as it would take two years to sort that battle out assuming the same timeline as IFS. The Pit and The Pendulum...

And this is exactly why DPA is all but completely standing down for now. This is all DALPA's. There will be no more drive for cards until after a contract is signed...if DALPA does the wrong thing that is.

Carl

orvil 05-26-2012 04:58 PM

Not Really Correct
 
New sick leave system that increases yearly sick credit and deletes the 75% pay provision and the Sick Leave Monitoring Program --NNP


While there are some improvements the Sick Leave Monitoring Program has been replaced with new verification program.

orvil 05-26-2012 05:01 PM

Disability benefits improved -- NNP

This correct. There are some improvements. But, if you suffer from a mental illness, you are still a second class citizen. Think about it, if you suffer early onset Alzheimer's you are SOL. It can't be diagnosed until after death. It manefests itself as mental illness.

We didn't take care of the weakest amongst us.




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