Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1196555)

Ummm...because you're a condescending d!ck?

Carl

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 1196642)

You missed the point. He's talking about DALPA's inability to draw a line in the sand. He's talking about our willingness to buy more and bigger airplanes for other airlines to fly. It's not about the numbers; it's about the spine.

Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1196800)

After just a couple of days of reading and exploring and what ifs, I've decided that the company wants this, and they will come back to the table quite quickly after we vote this down.

Personal opinion, but it seems that they can't wait 3 years, so the TVM argument is moot because it is something they need and for once we hold all the cards. The problem is what they need I am not sure we will ever agree to give ie more large RJs


Very interesting how the AT agreement with SWA works right in with the new DAL agreement with SWA. Transition of the AT 717s to SWA start in Jan of 2013, instead they start coming to us.
Then in 2015, when our contract finally catches up to 2012 SWA rates, the 717 rates at AT would snap to SWA 737 rates leaving our 717 drivers WAY behind what 717s SWA still has left.

Just be glad you aren't that first displaced AT 717 Capt.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1196808)

Easy. Vote NO on this TA, then start negotiating.

Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1196833)

Here it is:

1. Stop giving away MORE of our flying
2. Vote this TA down
3. Negotiate all NEW over 50 seat RJ's to be operated at Delta (even if it means some pilots will think they're on a B scale).
4. Understand that any alleged lease forgiveness of 50 seat RJ's based on buying new larger RJ's would not care who operated the aircraft...only that they are bought.
5. Wait until 2025 when the last older RJ burns its last Jet A.
6. Mainline flying fully recaptured.

But pay particular note of step 1 and 2.

Carl

Originally Posted by Ragtop Day (Post 1196866)

What about the exception for 99,900 lb Delta Private Jets?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1196907)

We're going to order 70 new CRJ-900s to replace CRJ-200s.

In essence, we're going to order 70 new jets that the company can use to replace us in exchange for parking 200+ jets the company won't replace us with.

Another way to look at it, if the CRJ-200 killed the 100 seater, what can a CRJ-900 kill?

Now you may say the CRJ-200 didn't kill the 100 seater, we are getting 717s. But only because SWA is dumping them, it's a unique situation and... what if the 717s are here to kill the 88?

And there is no guarantee the parked CRJ-200 routes will be covered by the large RJs, they may not necessarily backfill their routes either if high frequency is no longer en vogue as it doesn't meet the capacity discipline maximize PRASM mantra.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1196779)

No Carl, what you don't like is that I have facts to counter your incessant blathering.

Now get one thing straight. I work for Delta Air Lines just like you do. I get my paycheck from Delta Air Lines just like you do. I don't work for you or any other pilot, so don't give me the "I'm your boss and don't get uppity with me" routine. You are not my boss. Sometimes, the union rents my time from the company and repays them for my time. I wouldn't care a whit if that never happened ever again. People asked for my help and I gave it. I have a lucrative side business that I set aside to do this work.

I was away from home constantly for months. At the beginning of this project my wife snapped her ankle in half slipping on an icy porch. I have been trying to balance this project and also take care of my family and mostly my family got short shrift. That is pretty tough to live with.

Some people decided to sacrifice their lives to work on behalf of 12,000 pilots and some people decided to sit on the sidelines and do nothing but throw rocks. Try for once to saddle up and put the lives of 12,000 pilots and their families in your hands and see what is more stressful, the life of the combatant or the life of the armchair quarterback. Wouldn't it be easy if we could just make silly demands like you recommend and have management accept them all. In that world girls fly little pink ponies around Candy Cane city. In the real world it doesn't work like that.

I don't loathe pilots, only bitter, old Red Book warriors that spend their lives wallowing in their bile.

Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1196962)

Three no votes in my MD-90 last night. Myself, the captain, and a jumpseater who was a DTW 777A. Anecdotal evidence, since our reps did vote the way we would have.