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Follow the money and connect the dots, grasshopper. The 717s, all of them are a done deal. Do you really believe Ed when he says "there's no money left." ? If so, you got played, big time.

Not about the money chump. it's about the NEED. With all them 50s remaining under the umbrella, there ain't no NEED for a large 717 fleet.. Your airplane.. your choice. I couldn't care less. We don't take 'em, SWA chokes on 'em. It's good either way.

forgot to bid

05-25-2012 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1196986)

Tsquare, I believe what you posted is certainly a strong possibility. I also think that perhaps there is more money available. The company still enjoys about 1.2 billion a year in pilot cost savings from the chapter 11 era. This contract restores about 400 million. I need another 140 million to be happy with the contract. I think the company might come back to the table with more money. As you mention they also might not. They will cost things out on their end and make a choice. I am still a no voter but will attend the roadshows and try and speak more with those at the table.

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Columbia

05-25-2012 04:04 AM

The SpaceX Dragon capsule about to dock with he ISS. Right now on the NASA channel. Good stuff....

tsquare

05-25-2012 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1196996)

The SpaceX Dragon capsule about to dock with he ISS. Right now on the NASA channel. Good stuff....

I walked outside and saw the launch the other day from my house.. nice night.. watched all the way to MECO...

Maddoggin

05-25-2012 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bata (Post 1196727)

Why don't we bring 76 seat to main line?

This would end the RJ wars and wip-saw.
With new FTDT rules costs must be close.

We have a pay scale and increased work hours.

I agree with you here. Although to me this is where you see the conflict of interest. If the 50 seaters are going away and you lock in the 76 seaters you have essentially shut down the regionals. Or at least put them on a path like Comair. ALPA can't allow that as the regionals it represents will file a lawsuit for misrepresenting them. ALPA can't let that happen so instead blurred the scope lines even further. There is also probably a handshake agreement with managements of mainline airlines to regionals saying this kind of scope recapture will never be allowed.

Free Bird

05-25-2012 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1196983)

Follow the money and connect the dots, grasshopper. The 717s, all of them are a done deal. Do you really believe Ed when he says "there's no money left." ? If so, you got played, big time.

Management point of view: If the pilots approve this TA by 70%, we gave them too much money.

This is just business and RA drives a very hard bargain. It's up to ALPA and us (the pilots) to get everything we can.

rahc	05-25-2012 04:41 AM

Does anyone have the actual data for when each of these DCI agreements expire? Also, I'd like to see when the Pinnacle leases expire for their aircraft if anyone has it.

boog123

05-25-2012 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1196963)

Be sure to keep that scene in your mind.. ahh nevemind. you will be seeing it for awhile...

How long have you been an FO on the MadDog anyway? I hope you like it.

Thats a pretty cheap, no integrity statement from a Captain.

boog123

05-25-2012 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1196983)

Follow the money and connect the dots, grasshopper. The 717s, all of them are a done deal. Do you really believe Ed when he says "there's no money left." ? If so, you got played, big time.

Nevermind, .........

forgot to bid

05-25-2012 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1196926)

It is about target fixation.

T, just to clarify, prior to the TA being posted many of us had said there was Section 1 and then the rest. Section 1 is a package and section 2-28 is a package, but they're not one package to imho.

Target fixation on Section 1 is not target fixation like focusing on Section 3 and ignoring everything else in 2-28.

In a generic big picture view if Section 1 will cost jobs then who cares if Section 3 has a pay raise, right? So that's why I'm focusing on Section 1 like I am.

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