Its 1000 percent inaccurate. If you bank files chapter 11 you don't get to stop making your mortgage payments and keep your house for free. If you lease a car and then sublease it to a friend and he files bankruptcy you are not off the hook for the lease.
Delta holds the leases directly on the vast majority of DCI aircraft with Bombardier. Those they don't hold directly they have guaranteed.
Why do you think they bailed out Pinnacle. Had Pinnacle shutdown it would have been a financial disaster for Delta. 140 jets sitting that Delta still would have to make the lease payments on. They had no choice but to keep them operating. This is basic contract law.

Firmly believe mgt threw this out to gauge the sentiment of the pilot group. If we vote it down by 40-60, they will come back with a slightly higher number. If we vote it down by 20-80, I think we could see a higher number come our way, as they want it to pass by 50.1 percent, and not one vote more.

To say that aircraft purchases hinge on our contract is nonsense, we better not fall for that one. As far as the RJ scope sale, placing any negotiating value on the retirement of the 50 seaters is insanity. If they are killing DL economically, manglement will rid themselves of them in the quickest way possible. This is nothing personal guys/gals, just business!

The latest expansion announcement for the NYC complex is 100 percent mainline. Nice to see for a change.

“We're excited to be announcing new and expanded service to these popular leisure destinations at the same time we're building our new domestic hub at LaGuardia Airport," said Gail Grimmett, s.v.p.–New York. “It's another step toward achieving our goal of becoming the preferred airline in New York.”
In conjunction with the LGA expansion, Delta is investing $160 million to modernize two terminals at the airport and construct a new walkway connecting the facilities. At JFK, Delta is under way on a $1.2 billion program to enhance and expand Terminal 4, adding nine new gates and creating a state-of-the-art gateway for New York's fastest growing global airline. That facility will open in spring 2013.
New and expanded service to the Caribbean and Bermuda includes daily year-round service between LGA and Bermuda; and new Saturday flights between JFK and St. Maarten. Also, LGA-Nassau flights will be expanded from seasonal to year-round service; JFK-Montego Bay, Jamaica, flights will grow from Saturday seasonal to daily service; JFK-Aruba service will increase from Saturday seasonal flights to daily year-round service and JFK-Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, flights will expand from Saturday seasonal to daily year-round service.
Delta will also add new and expanded service to Florida including two new flights between LGA and Sarasota; a new flight between JFK and Fort Myers, a fourth daily flight between LGA and Fort Myers, as well as a fifth daily flight between LGA and Miami and Tampa, and a second daily flight between JFK and Tampa.
All mainline.

If DALPA wants a yes vote from me that's exactly what they're going to have to do. I can do without the $$$, trading scope for mainline jets that are replacing mainline jets is just foolish and is a trend that is not sustainable. Think about it!

No they don't sailingfun.

Carl

One more thing. If we vote no, DAL will have an uncertain future financial burden displeasing to potential creditors for a merger or aircraft acquisition. DAL needs a solid fleet replacement plan at good interest rates. Analysts don't like uncertainty, and with DAL's focus on value, the investor & pleasing analysts for positive ratings, I think that would help seal a better deal prior to January 1, 2013.

Well said. RA is a very smart guy, this is just business. Look at how he dealt with the md 90's, slot swap and 717's. He is after the best deal he can get with the pilots. In other words he hit the press to test button. Now it's our job to call his bluff and negotiate a better deal. I'm guessing he would be a bit disappointed in us as a group if we roll over and outsource our own jobs so easily.

What's difficult to swallow here is you and the Union are pushing all this information about the length of time negotiations would take. This must be made on the assumption that our management is not planning to negotiate in good faith. If that is the case constructive engagement is a FAILURE!

We have been told over and over from you guys since bankruptcy that if we keep helping management out with all their issues it will pay huge dividends when we get to Section six. Well, apparently that is not the case since you are telling us management does not plan on being as accommodating as you guys thought.

This is something all of us should keep in mind going forward and during this vote ....oh, and please tell TO if he wants to compare our pay to any period in time it should be when we entered bankruptcy not when we exited just so he can get a better sound bite.

Very Dissapointed and no longer a supporter of Delta Air Lines!

Other than American, which of those companies are unprofitable?

Interesting thread.

I found an interesting thread http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...int-paper.html involving a point paper about the TA. It is a dispassionate numerical analysis of our TA.

Having said that, if we can combine what the poster says with what BigFlyA said a few pages back, we may have a winner.

My biggest hurdle has been emotion on this issue. I'm mad :mad: that the company doesn't value our advanced training/education and impact on the day-to-day operation. I'm :mad:mad that they don't recognize our contribution to getting the NWA-DAL merger done and not the soup sandwich that LCC has. I'm :mad:mad that they don't remember the cuts they rammed down the pilots' throats in bankruptcy.

Having said that, please read the pdf file and if anyone knows how to better share the document, please help the original poster out.