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Drone 05-22-2012 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1194752)
We know how this goes around here.

See, you were planning on going to Home Depot tomorrow, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring. Stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath and Beyond, you don't know yet.

You don't know if you'll have enough time to even read what's going on here much less post. Much less come back for a follow up.

You know what? Give me that thing. I'll do one...

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Next thing you know you're FTB, resident *******:

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:D

FTB

Wish I had a dime for every time I said that...
Damn, just did it again...

Bill Lumberg 05-22-2012 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1194737)
Worse case:
Current PWA: 255 76 seaters
vs
C2012 TA: 325 65-76 seaters which includes 223 76 seaters and 102 E170s/CRJ700s.
Or...
PWA now for 51+ seat jets: 19,380 seats
vs
C2012 TA now for 51+ seat jets: 23,658 seats

Best case: LESS TOTAL RJs. That would be this TA. There may be 102 70 seaters ontop of the 223 76 seaters, but they would obviously fly on current 50 seat routes that aren't as profitable. 32 fewer 76 seaters total is better, since they would be the ones flying current mainline routes vs Dothan, AL. It's your choice.

NuGuy 05-22-2012 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1194759)
Best case: LESS TOTAL RJs. That would be this TA. There may be 102 70 seaters ontop of the 223 76 seaters, but they would obviously fly on current 50 seat routes that aren't as profitable. 32 fewer 76 seaters total is better, since they would be the ones flying current mainline routes vs Dothan, AL. It's your choice.

Maybe I want to fly to Dothan, AL. If it's a Delta Passenger on a Delta Ticket, I think they deserve Delta Pilots, don't you?

Besides, I enjoyed flying into Flint, Grand Rapids, Traverse City, Lansing, Omaha, Sioux Falls, Rapid City, Grand Forks, Saginaw, Fargo, Minot, Bismark, Regina, Saskatoon, Great Falls, Kalispell, Helena, Bozeman, Missoula, Winnipeg, Des Moines, Rochester (both NY and MN), Duluth, Albany, Harrisburg, and all of those other wonderful, NO HASSLE airports that we used to go to in the DC-9.

Sure beats the hell out of Florida turns from ATL, or going back and forth the NYC.

Nu

1234 05-22-2012 08:48 PM

Forgive me if this has been answered before, but how aircraft are currently being flown as DCI:

50 seaters
70 seaters
76 seaters

Just looking for actual numbers, I know what is allowed.

Thanks,

DAL73n 05-22-2012 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Flying Monkey (Post 1194029)
All of this, and it looks as if Wall St. is just as unimpressed as we are.

Actually, Wall Street being unimpressed means it wasn't a slam dunk on the cost side for the company. That is one of my third party criteria to try and evaluate this TA. Wall Street doesn't care about the pilots, they only care about how much more money (or more productivity) will this cost/save Delta Airlines to evaluate whether DAL will perform going forward as a stock to buy/sell. So Wall Street being "unimpressed" means it's not quite the slam dunk for DAL that most of us think it is. If all of a sudden a bunch of Wall Street analysts came out with a buy recommendation and better earnings forcasts going forward and DAL stock got a huge bump then I would be even more suspicious of this contract than I already am. Just a different perspective.

forgot to bid 05-22-2012 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by DAL73n (Post 1194771)
Actually, Wall Street being unimpressed means it wasn't a slam dunk on the cost side for the company. That is one of my third party criteria to try and evaluate this TA. Wall Street doesn't care about the pilots, they only care about how much more money (or more productivity) will this cost/save Delta Airlines to evaluate whether DAL will perform going forward as a stock to buy/sell. So Wall Street being "unimpressed" means it's not quite the slam dunk for DAL that most of us think it is. If all of a sudden a bunch of Wall Street analysts came out with a buy recommendation and better earnings forcasts going forward and DAL stock got a huge bump then I would be even more suspicious of this contract than I already am. Just a different perspective.

Maybe Wall Street wasn't impressed because they saw forsee having to ride more CRJ-900s out of LGA? :D

Boomer 05-22-2012 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1194762)
Besides, I enjoyed flying into Flint, Grand Rapids, Traverse City, Lansing, Omaha, Sioux Falls, Rapid City, Grand Forks, Saginaw, Fargo, Minot, Bismark, Regina, Saskatoon, Great Falls, Kalispell, Helena, Bozeman, Missoula, Winnipeg, Des Moines, Rochester (both NY and MN), Duluth, Albany, Harrisburg, and all of those other wonderful, NO HASSLE airports that we used to go to in the DC-9.

FWIW, Comair doesn't bother with those little villages in the 70/90. Well, MDT and ROC sometimes. I miss them too.

DogWhisperer 05-22-2012 09:08 PM

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Boomer 05-22-2012 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 1194768)
... but how aircraft are currently being flown as DCI:

50 seaters (Comair = 16, DCI=???)
65 seaters (Comair = 15, DCI = 102)
76 seaters (Comair = 13, DCI = 153)

Numbers added to your post above.

Comair currently has around 25 50s, reducing to 16 by August.

forgot to bid 05-22-2012 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1194759)
Best case: LESS TOTAL RJs. That would be this TA. There may be 102 70 seaters ontop of the 223 76 seaters, but they would obviously fly on current 50 seat routes that aren't as profitable. 32 fewer 76 seaters total is better, since they would be the ones flying current mainline routes vs Dothan, AL. It's your choice.

I still think airframe counts beats block hour ratios and seating, but, seating is interesting...

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp8-22.png

See to me, if all of these jets fly the same speed then the ASM drop is minimal. In exchange for increasing the size of the large RJ fleet by 25% we end up reducing the entire DCI fleet by 25% but changing ASMs by just 17%.

I don't consider this a gain. It's a loss. A gain would've been keeping the 255 cap and 3:1 ratio and cutting 50 seat jets down to 0. And that 0 could've increase a little if the Alaska codeshare had gotten hammered and no exemptions for RAH.


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1194762)
Maybe I want to fly to Dothan, AL. If it's a Delta Passenger on a Delta Ticket, I think they deserve Delta Pilots, don't you?

Besides, I enjoyed flying into Flint, Grand Rapids, Traverse City, Lansing, Omaha, Sioux Falls, Rapid City, Grand Forks, Saginaw, Fargo, Minot, Bismark, Regina, Saskatoon, Great Falls, Kalispell, Helena, Bozeman, Missoula, Winnipeg, Des Moines, Rochester (both NY and MN), Duluth, Albany, Harrisburg, and all of those other wonderful, NO HASSLE airports that we used to go to in the DC-9.

Sure beats the hell out of Florida turns from ATL, or going back and forth the NYC.

Nu

Good point.


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