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Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 1194977)

I say call Anderson's bluff, this isn't his best offer. He will either have the pilots onboard going forward or not. Delta can operate two certificates for a decade I guess. This TA is being expedited because he wants the 717's to appear to be tied to a TA ratification, he already purchased CRJ-900 positions last year, 50-seaters need heavy checks or replacement and under our current scope/work rules we will have to hire sooner than later.

Heyas TOGA,

Of course it wasn't his best offer. There was money left for all of the other Delta employees to get a raise based on our efforts.

I mean, duh.

Nu

Here's a good ?. A competitor in bankrurptcy is announcing delivery and schedules for B777-300's and we are leasing B717's?

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sorry for delay acl, my old iphone now about to be turned frisbee is in suck mode thanks to att unlimited data cap.

There are now at least 15 threads about DAL, DAL TA, etc. Enough is Enough!

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1195129)

I don't think you get it. Sure, if the rotations are the same as they are now, what you state would be true.

But the rotations will not look like they do now.

I'm not seeing the downside here. We don't like 3 day 11hour trips. You say the trips will not look like this......What's bad about that!?! What will they look like?

Denny

I've asked to have a sub forum, we shall see.

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1195162)

I'm not seeing the downside here. We don't like 3 day 11hour trips. You say the trips will not look like this......What's bad about that!?! What will they look like?

Denny

My point is, beware unintended consequences.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1195090)

88 pilots on reserve will probably see a 30% or so raise.

We all admit that this does not meet our expectations that we filled out in the survey.

Then that's all you need to know now isn't it. We were told explicitly by our MEC chairman that we would not sacrifice what the pilots demanded in their surveys for the sake of expedience. He said if that is what the company demanded, we would end this expedited process and return to the traditional Section 6. Was he lying? Was he intending to renege on that pledge all along?

Who really cares. The TA doesn't meet the surveys demands. Period. Send it back. Strictly business.

Carl

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1195090)

88 pilots on reserve will probably see a 30% or so raise.

We all admit that this does not meet our expectations that we filled out in the survey.

The difference day one is 7.2% give or take. One must ask if the reward is worth the risk for 140 million dollars. Just an honest question.

You must take the emotion out of this, look at it objectively and go from there.

Do you not see that you are raising emotional and fear-based questions? You're allowing a pass to the agreed upon process because of fear of the future. Please think about this.

Carl

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1195044)

You are being fearful. You are too risk adverse to use the leverage that this pilot group has. You'd rather walk away coming up short in negotiations and try to sell us in taking the next great incremental deal of crumbs.

The blow back from this strategy and ill fated decision will be facsinating to watch this summer. You all have seriously miscalculated the pilot group.

Have to give you one prop though. You all have some sheer audacity and balls for trying to force this one down on everyone in face of the external factors breathing down the MEC committee's necks. But we already are familiar with the impudence that you swim in as it has been on full display and never more so than with the handling of the FPL resolutions.

Please don't mix fearful with thoughtful. RA and DL can just step away from this and stonewall us for a long time. The NMB probably will say the company bargained in good faith and we could well be into contract 2015 by then, that is a possibility to a no vote just as getting a better deal if we vote it down is a possibility. What is all this leverage you talk about ?, the only leverage I see is a happy pilot group would probably be more productive for the company in the long run. There is risk in a no vote, there is risk in a yes vote but don't say there is no risk or revert to name calling.