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tsquare 05-21-2012 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1193350)
C'mon T! I respect you...but you can't possibly be defending this POS...right?

Never said that. I am just commenting on the guys that will come out and talk about the sell job while at the same time not being able to understand all the legalese. (I hate laywers... never met one worth the gas I would use to run 'em over)

After a Jack on the rocks, and the upcoming House finale, I will not really be able to start digesting this until tomorrow... my comment about lawyers stands though.

georgetg 05-21-2012 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1193211)
BTW, what is going on with the 70 seaters? Are we getting rid of them to accomodate more 76 seaters? As in is the 255 number of 51+ seaters remaining or are we about to allow more than 255 51+ seaters?

70 capped at 102
153 76-seat max

with every 717 or A319 1.25 76-seater added
max cap of 223

reduction of 50-seaters
for the first 40 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by 11.1 units
for the next 30 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by another 10.7 units (22 total)

only after the last 76-seat jet is delivered and 76-seater count reaches 223 must the 50-seaters be reduced to 125

so roughly 350 50-seaters now
add 55 717 or A319
bring 76-seaters up to 222
50-seters reduced to 320-330

only after the 56 717 is delivered and the last of the max 223 76-seat jet is delivered will 50-seaters be reduced to 125

Cheers
George

shiznit 05-21-2012 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1193354)
The truth is, I dont have a problem with the concept of hiring people who have been flying DAL passengers for years. That is NOT the issue I have.

The issue I have is that this wording further brings the ALPA conflict of interest to Delta's doorstep front and center. It also is contractual and further cements ALPA's position as the bargaining agent for DCI carriers...of which there are some non-ALPA affiliated carriers.

This isn't about unity, this is about ALPA the Corporation.

I say great, all the piggybacking non-union and ALPA undercutting (gojets) other union pilots can get at the end of the line.

In fact, we should only hire ALPA pilots, pilots coming directly from the military, corporate, or a foreign airline. IMHO.

Columbia 05-21-2012 04:42 PM

Delta pilot deal allows it to add regional jets - Yahoo! Finance

Stock up 5% after announcement. Bombardier should be up as well tomorrow.

flyallnite 05-21-2012 04:43 PM

I'd say this pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter:

Christmas Vacation - Jelly of the Month Club - YouTube

scambo1 05-21-2012 04:48 PM

I've read thru section 1 twice. I haven't cross referenced anything, just read thru twice. Is it just me or does it seem like the references are pointing to an:

Alaska merger?

hoserpilot 05-21-2012 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1193383)
I say great, all the piggybacking non-union and ALPA undercutting (gojets) other union pilots can get at the end of the line.

In fact, we should only hire ALPA pilots, pilots coming directly from the military, corporate, or a foreign airline. IMHO.


Only ALPA pilots? Gimme a freakin break. Maybe you should switch that to DPA pilots now that we have the TA language. I came from a family of construction and drywallers. I knew nothing about unions. I tried to educate myself prior to my first commuter job. Every, yes every pilot I talked to at Alaska, United, Pan Am and Delta all had horrible things to say about ALPA. I applied to Skywest and Horizon and was hired at Skywest first. In the time I was there ALPA sold out the mainline pilots and sold out scope. Yeah, let's just hire ALPA pilots and leave all the other qualified pilots on the bench. :rolleyes:

130av8er 05-21-2012 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1193383)
I say great, all the piggybacking non-union and ALPA undercutting (gojets) other union pilots can get at the end of the line.

In fact, we should only hire ALPA pilots, pilots coming directly from the military, corporate, or a foreign airline. IMHO.

I couldn't give two ****s who we hire. What is all this RJ flow up crap doing in OUR prospective contract. I can tell that somebody on the NC has a hard on for this. I'm pretty certain this wasn't in the top 50 concerns of our pilots. Not a DPA guy but this BS lends a lot of credit to the ALPA conflict of interest re: RJ's.

shadyops 05-21-2012 04:53 PM

Over that past 10,000 pages or so I've noticed some folks seem to think that regional pilots have different interests than mainline pilots. I think the majority of both sides want a fair and equitable contract and more mainline jobs. Also, if you think regional and mainline pilots want different things, what about the Compass vote that was split 12 to 13 along pre-merger lines? That would indicate DAL N and DAL S want different things too. Or maybe we all want good things we just disagree on how to get there.

johnso29 05-21-2012 04:58 PM

Call me crazy, but something doesn't smell right with this TA. I have a VERY hard time believing every member of the NC wanted these pay numbers. Delta has more money to pay us then this. I smell LM up to his old games again. He's pulling TO's strings, and O'Malley ain't fighting. Might be time for some recall action.


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