There is another piece to this TA puzzle that will be announced before the vote. The TA will be a marginal pass with the junior pilots voting for it more so then the senior pilots. It fails in my two biggest needs, pay and retirement. When the last piece is dangled it will sadly ratify.

Are you referring to the early retirement package or a jet order?

If you're going with the "ALPA's out to get them" theory, you can look into the relationship between GoJetsssss and TSA. There is a dash of animosity there if you look real hard.

I can't really imagine the junior guys being too jazzed up by this.. I mean, the old bait-and-switch magical 100 seat unicorn jet for more 76 seat RJ's and a formula that A. Einstein would find confusing... but do tell the final straw!

I don't care who's pet project the DCI preference hiring language was, it JUMPED out at me, as I read the TA, as something that wasted at least 5 minutes of my negotiating committee's time (in an "accelerated" negotiation) -on behalf of another pilot group- that would've been better used saying:
"Tell Mr. Anderson that 4% at DOS just is NOT GOING TO PASS WITH THIS PILOT GROUP!"

I am deeply disappointed.

Slowplay - If it were only so simple. Am I reading this incorrectly?



Section 1 - Scope
1-24
1 a. 50% the following percentage of themonthly passenger seats may be occupied by
2 passengers traveling under the DL code:
3 1) 50% for flights between SEA and either MSP or ATL, and
4 2) 35% for flights in any monthall other city pairs, or
5 b. a monthly average of 86 passenger seats may be occupied by passengers traveling
6 under the DL code per flight segment, if in the month involved this results in a
7 lesser number of passenger seats occupied by such passengers than under
8 Section 1 O. 5. a.


So, not to mention all the exceptions for LAX and SEA - which are still in the TA - we can go to 50% on the above routes and 35% in others.

LAX, SEA, MSP and ATL can basically be 50% or more (LAX/SEA exemptions) with the rest at 35%. Is this much, if any of a restriction? We can basically fill half to 1/3 of Alaska's flights with DAL passengers and be in compliance.

Is this really the kind of tight Scope language we need?

Scoop :confused:

You're right, it'll just be an unbiased presentation of facts whether they're positive or negative. And I'm confident they won't push a recommendation that members vote for it. :rolleyes:

Based on what I'm seeing on APC and assuming most of the posters are junior, I don't see it passing with us. The real problem will be the folks that just want to "do their job" and don't/won't stay informed.

There was no reason for us to hurry on this issue. Ben Franklin (or maybe it was Buzz) said "Haste makes waste".

Well, I guess you're right. I hadn't thought of it that way, but to the extent that GoJet circumvents everything TSA, it circumvents ALPA, too. That's more dues money they lost, in addition to the egg on the face.

Yep, I think ALPA holds a grudge.

Where are you getting the 4:30 min pay per day? I see 5:15 just like our present contract. If they dropped it to 4:30 that could be a significant pay cut on some rotations.