How very appropriate that ACL brings us this news. Wonder when the details will come out? The full 7 days???

Unable to even consider anything until we answer some significant section 1 questions.
Airtight scope from the top to bottom, can't be stressed enough.

A guarantee of no AT/SW pilots with the 717's and an ironclad sunset of all large RJ's at DCI in a reasonable timeframe, plus preserving the early opener/accelerated mediation and I could at least think about it.

Even the chance of pilots coming with the 717, and/or more permanant 76 seaters and/or only 19% without significant work rule improvements and another early opener would make it impossible to press yes.

My spidery sense tells me that this is pretty much the only way it would have a chance to pass considering everything we know from the last NNP.

I hope you're right. Now that the gathered faithful are seeing the white smoke, all we can do is wait and see what they brought us.

I still don't like that 717's are any part of this TA conversation. Ignore the carrot.

Delta can buy all the planes they want, but we should not pay for them in the contract. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a little movement. I'm just saying 717's (or any other aircraft) have no bearing when it comes to evaluating a TA.

The growth promise is the oldest trick in the book. Keep in mind that we (DAL/NWA) have parked well over 100 DC-9's in the past decade. Many of them -40's which I understand is pretty much a 717. Let's not be blinded by what is apparently a replacement aircraft.

Not saying I'm voting NO. Just saying we need to separate the promise of growth, and objectively evaluate this deal, warts and all.

Yup, couldn't agree enough. Not sure what 717s have to do with this TA.

My question for the 717's, if this is true, is how many aircraft are going to be replacement for mainline DAL and how many are going to take over RJ routes. Will there be a definitive answer with the TA?

Agreed. But if we do get the 717, having to eat 1000 or so AT pilots at greater than date of staple would be another tsunami of stagnation for this pilot group for no reason whatsoever for them other than sport bidding for fun and/or helping SWA lower its cost structure and purge their culture cult.

You are right about replacement aircraft, and I think long term th 717's will be MD-88 replacement aircraft (IOW they will still be here as 88's are being parked) in addition to more 76 seaters (DC-9-10 relacement jets) which will help replace even more MD88's, older Airbuses, etc, not to mention AS and HI growth, more DL shrinkage and fewer pilots required due to work rule and staffing changes.

Is there someway to wrap the 717 into the launguage or is it just the carrot and the stick?