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Originally Posted by dragon
(Post 1188679)
Yes we can, but a picture is worth a thousand words.
http://regretfulmorning.com/wp-conte...e-holbrook.jpg Uhhh, if this is the agreed upon T n A then I'm a solid YES voter!!!!! |
A quote:
"Is it "unrealistic" for the company to ask for a 40% pay cut AND renege on our pensions? If not, then it is absolutely realistic to seek "restoration plus" back from the company. For those not well versed in numbers a 40% pay cut requires a 67% pay raise to return to par. Voting "yes" for less on this TA will ensure you make less in 2018 then the rates negotiated nearly 20 years earlier! If the Company is this motivated to come to an agreement with ALPA under the RLA you can bet there is a lot more money to be had. Don't vote no, vote "Hell NO"! And on that point it doesn't matter that I don't know what is in this TA." There ya have it!! |
Originally Posted by Tomcat
(Post 1188605)
So, who will be the first APCer to dig out and share the details. I know perhaps a couple guys have their hands tied, but somewhere out there is the squadron scronger. The guy that's always dialed in and can produce anything you need.
The intel network is alive and well. I think I hear morse code in the background. Good job on predicting the TA this week, but that was almost too easy. TC |
Originally Posted by Tomcat
(Post 1188640)
OK, take it for what it's worth. Here's what I've got.
19% over two raises, 3% a year thereafter (I think) + 4% DC, with 1% a year there after 717's coming, about 100 of them JV language for Atlantic and Pacific flying Many questions left to be answered on scope and other parts of contract, but this may work for me on a three year deal. The JV language is very likely the reason for the quick TA. If management wants it so badly, you have to ask why. Hog |
There's a blurb about the TA now on DeltaNet.
But, where are the June B bids?!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by nerd2009
(Post 1188692)
A quote:
"Is it "unrealistic" for the company to ask for a 40% pay cut AND renege on our pensions? If not, then it is absolutely realistic to seek "restoration plus" back from the company. For those not well versed in numbers a 40% pay cut requires a 67% pay raise to return to par. Voting "yes" for less on this TA will ensure you make less in 2018 then the rates negotiated nearly 20 years earlier! If the Company is this motivated to come to an agreement with ALPA under the RLA you can bet there is a lot more money to be had. Don't vote no, vote "Hell NO"! And on that point it doesn't matter that I don't know what is in this TA." There ya have it!! I'd like to buy you a beer. A few days ago, Alfa asked if we wanted to have a negotiation in the "adult" world. I said yes. There is a master plan behind the curtain that only a few NDA signers have been briefed on. This is a time of great leverage. If this TA doesn't make us whole, then there is room to make it better. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1188712)
Nerd;
I'd like to buy you a beer. A few days ago, Alfa asked if we wanted to have a negotiation in the "adult" world. I said yes. There is a master plan behind the curtain that only a few NDA signers have been briefed on. This is a time of great leverage. If this TA doesn't make us whole, then there is room to make it better. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1188713)
... and just what is that leverage? Outsourcing is only worth so much.
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Originally Posted by Ball Breaker
(Post 1188543)
Yeap.
- Still below SWA rates - More 76 seaters My opinion is, SWA can keep those 717s. They should no way be involved in our TA. They are a low paying, hard working (3-7 legs a day) machine. And who knows, the minute the next "force-majeure" event occurs-->we will cave in again. Bring on the HEAVIES, Im all for that. Take back all DAL flying, Im all for that too.:rolleyes: TEN |
If there is no red stapler in this TA, I vote no!
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