I miss the days when this thread was more focused on tasteful under/side boob art, as opposed to the ongoing DALPA v. DPA bickering.

Where's Jesse when you need him...

The problem is not so much DPA vs DALPA as it is that the only thing some can do is throw a grenade. I mean Carl and T can fight all they want, if you read it you can learn about the two opposing sides. But just to constantly throw a generic grenade that adds nothing is... well, we're collectively over it.

You do have to admit that you walked right into that one...:D

Carl

Like I have said before, the day ALPA starts to irrepairably fracture and collapse, it will be because of their own doing, not TC and his org.

It is the catalyst that is the question. Will it be a TWA judgement or perhaps a terminal fumble with the TA at DAL or even UCAL? A serious scope misjudgement or tone deaf misreading of their constituents that pushes them over the edge (i.e assesments for legal issues, FPL issues, overreaching misguided LOA's and MOU's, etc.)

Its like watching history all over again and it is unfolding right infront of our eyes.

@ Bar. Swwwwweeeet Helio. I want one. Found one listed for 300K . Now, about that lotto cause this payscale now ain't gonna swing it. The multiple beaver thing, while really nice, is way out of my league.

Although, did run into a 777 guy awhile back who took time off flying misconnected bags in Alaska to cruise ships in a 182. Heard recently from some SLC guys that he he has a small fleet of Caravans and Twotters flying same misconnected bags and peeps to ships. Claimed Delta his biggest customer. Also no longer a 777 guy. Wish I'd thought of that!

@ FlyZ. Awesome analogy. Perfect. Man, we are worthless if we bend over again.

@ FtB. Way to add the "!" to FlyZ's post with the Tiger visual. Also, speaking of visuals, nice chart.

They have come up with a new slogan. This is from yesterday's MEC publication entitled "Touch & Go's":

In the midst of the industry’s constant evolution, we believe the Delta pilots may once again have an opportunity to succeed in a timely manner. With all of this in mind, your MEC concluded its recent meeting with a unanimous resolution, which read in part that:

“. . .the Negotiating Committee immediately begin to pursue a superior Pilot Working Agreement, achieved in advance of the amendable date, that justly compensates the Delta pilots for their contributions to the success of the Company.”

...It includes key facts, which support the premise that attempting to achieve a timely superior agreement is consistent with pursuing the best interests of the Delta pilots...

...and concluded that a strategy to achieve a timely superior agreement is fully consistent with protecting our interests in this area...

...if the MEC’s approach to concluding a superior contract prior to the amendable date is not working to the MEC’s satisfaction...

Our reps are stating that they (and we) want an industry leading contract. Our reps (and we) are stating THAT is the primary goal and they won't weaken that goal in the pursuit of speed. Our MEC clearly disagrees. The MEC says they can't deliver on industry leading. They can only deliver on "superior". Superior to what is of course, an unknown.

Carl

This should clear it up for you Frank. This is also from yesterday's MEC publication entitled "Touch & Go's":

Negotiating scope and job security. We all know that these important issues have been and likely will be on the bargaining table in every Section 6 negotiation. The MEC spent considerable time becoming informed on events that affect all aspects of Delta pilot job security, both on the domestic and international level, and concluded that a strategy to achieve a timely superior agreement is fully consistent with protecting our interests in this area.

Too bad APC only allows me three of these. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Carl

IMO, trying to frame dissatisfaction with ALPA and affiliation with DPA as a north v. south issue is misguided. I'm fNWA based in ATL, and I see far more DPA sympathy from the fDAL people I fly with than my fNWA buddies.

Once again, the Red/Green issue was long settled before the merger. Despite the fact that there were (are) some unsettled hard feelings from the Roberts award, they have nothing to do with DPA. You obviously don't really understand the "RedVGreen crap" or you would realize it had no bearing on the merger/SLI and has no bearing on the current question of representation. As I understand it, the fNWA people who are in leadership roles with DPA are all blue book.

FWIW, the last 3 Captains I've flown with have all been RDs and have all been vocal DPA supporters.

Maybe it's time to stop assuming the DPA movement has anything to do with fNWA and the merger and start understanding that is has to do with ALL of us being represented appropriately.

Well sh#t! We have gone from "restoration" to "industry Leading" to now, "superior" !?!?

Superior to what? USAirways?

Glad they did not pay anymore due$ money to make up more lapel pins/tie tacks for every change in their slogans like the one you see on the left.

Deviating from DH
 

My next rotation begins with a 0530 check-in for a DH to ATL. If I deviate the night before on a red-eye straight to ATL instead of commuting to base the day prior followed by the early DH, does my duty day still start with my scheduled DH or when I deviated?

I suppose a call to Scheds is in order either way, but still interested in thoughts...

Thanks,
Cubdrick

I'm pretty sure it starts with your scheduled DH. And, yes, definitely call the Scheds in advance and let them know. If they don't see you checked in for your scheduled DH, they'll freak (well, maybe not freak, but they don't like it.).