Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1161308)

Yes there is [another thread for the ALPA/DPA discussion] so why do you keep bringing it up? What part of my post above mentions DPA or even infers anything about an alternative union?

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1161448)

I'm not bringing up the issue. I'm tired of getting spammed with it. How about this, mods: youy take the last page and a half, back to Bacon's latest attempt, and you move it all to the aforementioned thread, where it belongs?

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1161448)

I'm not bringing up the issue. I'm tired of getting spammed with it. How about this, mods: youy take the last page and a half, back to Bacon's latest attempt, and you move it all to the aforementioned thread, where it belongs?

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1161448)

I'm not bringing up the issue. I'm tired of getting spammed with it. How about this, mods: youy take the last page and a half, back to Bacon's latest attempt, and you move it all to the aforementioned thread, where it belongs?

Originally Posted by DAL73n (Post 1161344)

Not to bring facts into the equation (why confuse everyone) BUT I decided to look and see if there was that big a disparity in pay rates such that it would be uneconomical to fly those A/C at DAL:

I am going to assume that most CA will be 12 year pay (yeah, there may be some younger guys but let's look at the worst case) and let's say F/O's fall at 6 year pay (for DAL used the 2012 PWA rates and for our competitors the recent APC pilot pay survey):

....................................DAL/.........JetBlue/.......Skywest/.......Comair/

CA (E190/CRJ900)/.........116/.........139/............112/................99/

F/O(E190/CRJ900)/..........73/...........82/.............44/.................68/

Sorry about the formatting (couldn't get tabs or spaces to work).
Now, while I can't vouch for additional cost of FAs (although this would probably go junior/very young new FAs) since I don't have their pay scales it is certainly hard to argue that it is pilot cost making it uneconomical to fly those A/C at mainline. Is Jet Blue that much more efficient than us that they can afford to pay their pilots more than us (similar to SWA 737s)? I think it's time to show mother DAL it is time to start flying Delta pax on Delta A/C with Delta pilots to protect the brand. Anyone who cares to please shoot holes in this as you please.

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1161467)

If you're tired of the incessant DPA drumbeat, try the ignore function. I resisted doing that for a while, but I'm enjoying this thread much more now. It's not even that I disagreed with the posters, it's just that I got tired of hearing the same things over and over.

Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1161456)

How about you worry about the ALPA board and let the APC mods worry about this board. DPA can be legally stated here! It is related to the latest and greatest at Delta, along with underboob etc..If RJs continue to proliferate off campus, you will be hearing and seeing alot more of DPA.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1161486)

Says the junior salesman. Even a cursory review of your 107 posts show you've made up your mind, and you're here to sell. I think the question for the mods is this: does the thread serve most everyone talking about all things L&G, or does it get hijacked by some with a specific agenda? this thread is essentially a big conversation, it's been a meeting place for many of us, for a fairly long time. Unfortunately, some new people are here to agressively sell a product, Bacon and DAWGS being perfect examples. That's cool. Just be honest about it, and do it in the appropriate place.

When you're getting semi-professional salesmen crashing your party, are you supposed to stop the party, or ask them to visit again during office hours?

The other thread is office hours.

Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1161495)

Trying to smear someone who doesn't share your views is professional? BTW, been around since 07 on this board with only 170 posts. I'm not selling anything. Most of my posts occur when I can no longer bite my fingers. You on the other hand have only been here since Jun 09. You have 1761 posts. It seems you are the junior one around here and very clearly here for a purpose, which imo, is to manage expectations for ALPA. I certainly have had my doubts about ALPA. I have been willing as of late to get behind them, however I must admit being smeared by an insider, continues to add to my distrust of the very people who are supposed to represent me.