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The B25 is neat, but how would you ever afford to put AvGas in the thing?
Here's a couple photos of an A36, which we currently use for business travel in one of my three jobs. (although ours is not a G Model, but these pictures were easier than hosting my own) We copied the 2007 paint scheme. The only thing that makes it affordable is that it is in a partnership. ... and the interior makes the wives happy ... |
Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1160938)
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...0-img-1157.jpg
Teaching in this is always fun! Rare to find people that do not already have a round motor background, so it usually falls into the mode of JDDAS (just dont do anything stupid) Best twin trainer in the world IMHO. Clearly why the USAF hung onto them into the early 60's. Granted not as sexy as a Mooney, I still can not afford to rent one of those!:D |
More interesting tid bits on the AA 737 buy:
737 Cost, Not Pricing: Wells Fargo has this item about what American Airlines actually paid for the Boeing 737-800, as opposed to the list price: more than a 50% discount from $84.4m. Note that AerCap (AER) appears to have paid $40m per aircraft in a purchase-leaseback. One assumes American didn’t resell the aircraft for the price paid from Boeing but marked them up at least a little bit. We’ve heard AA’s cost was in the range of $35m but this is unconfirmed. ~$40MM Per 737, It Appears. Based on the change in YTD flight equipment additions, AER added $80MM in planes in Q4; since the only Q4 additions were two new 737-800s leased back to American Airlines, the 20-F implies a $40MM unit price. Also, based on changes in purchase commitments from 9/30/11, we believe the average 737-800 purchase price (over the remaining 33 planes as of year end) is ~$41MM. A new 737-800 typically appraises for ~$45MM. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1160864)
While talking about the "Toy Box." I did a little work on this and the owner promised we'd take it around to air shows. It had a fascinating history. Originally registered to the CIA, then operated by the World's largest cocaine smuggler. We had photos of it in SE Asia with Air to Ground munitions, and photos of it full of cocaine, even pictures of folks on it mooning the DEA (back then they could not shoot it down, but they could run anything the DEA down to min fuel). I was planning a heck of a story board:
The previous owner who used it for drug running was this guy: Drug Smuggler- Rik Luytjes Not to glamorize that sort of thing. But the airplane was purpose built for shenanigans. 350 feet was plenty to get 3,000+ lbs of payload aloft and fly it at 200+ knots for over 1,000 miles. Used, illegally, it made Central America to Scranton PA, non stop. It was a very capable airplane, but had some quirks. Unfortunately the owner sold it ... would have been fun to load up ten friends & head down to the islands in. As you can see, the main gear hang low in flight and have a lot of travel. When landing the wheels would physically be on the ground, but it would definitely still be flying. As sold to the CIA, there was no lock out for Beta on the prop. Getting it into reverse while still 3 feet in the air would result in the airplane trying to swap ends. If I won the lottery, I would be making some phone calls to see if the current owner wants to sell. It is about the most useful, fun, relatively cheap to operate war-bird I know of. That looks like a pilatus porter. I have seen one land on a helipad on top of a mountain and take off again on a windy day. Very cool. Actually its a Helio HST-550, I just looked it up. Clearly, its origins are in the porter though. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1160852)
Well gloopy sink flamer and george all say that it would be a loss to allow any more jets in the 51-76 seat range even if other areas of scope were to be improved significantly.
I believe limiting and eventually eliminating all off-list DCI pilots... Let the company operate the airline on multiple certificates, as long as there are Delta Pilots in the cockpits!!! I wonder if the silent masses feel the same.... We can only hope! Trading scope for scope is a zero sum gain, it's not a win. You're right on, all Delta operated/controlled/scheduled or otherwise produced flying needs to have Delta pilots at the controls regardless of what certificate is used. The Teamsters at Republic even managed to work towards that solution, warts and all, because they realized the danger of the alternative. Cheers George |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1160960)
The B25 is neat, but how would you ever afford to put AvGas in the thing?
I'm sticking with my current "Company Car" (although ours is not a G Model, but these pictures were easier than hosting my own) We copied the 2007 paint scheme. ... and the interior makes the wives happy ... the club seating does eat into cargo space though. |
Last paint job before the widget makes an appearance
http://worldairlinenews.files.wordpr...glrw.jpg?w=606 Cheers George |
What does it cruise at?
What replaced the B-25 in the training role? |
Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1160977)
Last paint job before the widget makes an appearance
http://worldairlinenews.files.wordpr...glrw.jpg?w=606 Cheers George |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1160982)
It's clean! How does that happen?
A36 is the e-class of the sky, it's just so darn solid. As a testament to it's flying qualities, I soloed probably 20 guys in an A36. Cheers George |
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