I'm with you, I just can't figure out what Gordo saw in Nurse Murch. She had a pretty burly 'stache. Coulda been an ALPA nurse.

I am sure they do., or least assume the know who most are.

Buzz,

I think the problem with your argument is you assume a recapture of small jet flying necessarily comes at the expense of growing large jets.

I don't think having Delta pilots fly 70 seaters will cost us too many 777 orders. But, on the other hand, when we lobby for approval of slot swaps in LGA, and the company put's 70 seaters on the majority of the routes, we don't scream so much.

If you're worried about the pay, you should probably see by now, it's easier to control pay in negotiations, than it is to reel in scope. I'm willing to bet those 70 seaters have cost mainline pilots way more money than any cut we've ever taken in our pay-rates.

Finally, I think the main advantage of recapturing that smaller flying is we avoid the potential whip-saw between pilot groups whenever a new route is opened. Plus, it's some serious furlough protection.

Personally, I'd take every 70 seater we could get.

2005

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../7/0794705.jpg


2010

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../1/1716102.jpg

You have a very important point. We need to fix CS's and JV's in a big way. Anyone of those in the Pacific market with our current language and the deal not being a profit sharing venture and all growth is capped.

Scope is not just small jet but all jet flying Dal engage in. It all matters.

We probably provide a lot of entertainment for them. :D

OH ####

Whew.

Include me with the peeps who disagree with you Buzz. Even though those seats are well below my seniority and I would prefer 86 more 747/777s, any new iron on the property is good iron.

Obviously, because they are the best of the best.
For some reason a tired Trojan Horse with "one list" or "brand scope" emblazoned across it flying a "unity" flag gets trotted out right about now. Usually it is a distraction for a scope sale, going back to MidAtlantic, the "anyone but a NWA subsidiary" scope concession, Compass, and even recently revived via back room chatter during Moak's secret 76 seat grievance settlement (although no one correlated it then ... Moak can keep a secret). Supporting rumors of high pilot attrition, the need for stability and potential staffing shortages fill the logical cracks.

I don't know why this Trojan Horse is pushed across the field whenever scope officially isn't in play. My guess is that mainline fears interference with more outsourcing and uses the distraction to negotiate in the clear. After all, the bulk of our outsourcing goes to union breaking carriers and the folks most likely harmed (or at least diluted) are fellow union members.

Of course, my hope is always is that there is some seriousness to the rumors, but when accompanied by false statements like "the Company decides the list." When this rumor is accompanied by a Single Carrier Petition with the NMB, then I'll take notice.

What changed?

Two votes to allow more outsourcing, a grievance settlement and a decline in ALPA membership.

Here's to hoping that reverses course.