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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1151763)
To pattern bargain up, one group has to achieve gains first. We're up to bat now.
If that were even remotely true, that would mean half of a labor group across an entire profession would be overpaid and would need to come down. Anyone in the bottom half can only shoot for the middle as a high water mark, so no one would ever get anywhere. Apply that "logic" to a post-9/11 bankruptcy and industry depression competitive field and it would seem to imply that our collective 9/11 contracts are some new world order in pilot costs that can never be overcome because anyone that does will sink the ship. Not buying that lie any more than the lie about how we can never recapture scope because its "too expensive" when in reality most to all that has to be paid are the lease payments to break a DCI contract and we are paying those anyway. |
Douchebag PA
Don't be that guy or girl. :mad: Unfortunately today, I got to listen Capt Douche pontificate about his Navy career to include a list of the ships he served on and the aircraft he and his Air Force F/O had flown. During his PA, the passengers kept looking at the other uniformed crew members with the question in there eyes as to why is this tool giving us his resume. If his was you today on the XXXX am, MSP to ATL flight, STOP IT! Noboby cares about your resume....... You are making a fool of yourself.
As a veteran, I appreciate your service, but PAs like this have to stop. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1151786)
Interesting idea.. but really that is for the next contract since most of those contracts are around for another 12-15 years if I am not mistaken. Why waste capital on them now? Sunsetting is only part of what needs to be done. We need to mandate the breaking of at least some DCI contracts within the duration of this contract. And no, it wouldn't cost unfathonable trillions like we are made to believe. All we would have to "pay" would be the lease payments, all of which are being paid for by Delta Air Lines anyway...with a large number directly owned by us. Then again, maybe that's what they meant by "improve production balance" and stuff. We won't know until we see the TA, right? But do the ALPA DCI MEC's know? Weren't they briefed on the specifics to a degree far greater than the lowly line dog DL pilots, at least WRT scope? |
From the J.P. Morgan Investor conference brief:
...we think there is an opportunity here to think creatively with our Delta connection partners with our other aircraft OEMs to find a different alternative to the 50-seat RJ -- more to come on that, but we're working hard on that and that will be one of the sources of productivity as we look to also upgauge the airline and reduce our overall non-fuel cost burden... Cheers George |
Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
(Post 1151801)
Don't be that guy or girl. :mad: Unfortunately today, I got to listen Capt Douche pontificate about his Navy career to include a list of the ships he served on and the aircraft he and his Air Force F/O had flown. During his PA, the passengers kept looking at the other uniformed crew members with the question in there eyes as to why is this tool giving us his resume. If his was you today on the XXXX am, MSP to ATL flight, STOP IT! Noboby cares about your resume....... You are making a fool of yourself.
As a veteran, I appreciate your service, but PAs like this have to stop. TEN |
Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1151810)
From the J.P. Morgan Investor conference brief:
slowplay, I take it you heard that quote also, what's your take on that? Cheers George "There's a lot of exciting large Rj airframes coming to market soon, many of which are already on firm order by current DCI whipsaw providers under long term contract to DL, inc., and DL wants to outsource them to the lowest bidder. We will work on "creative solutions" to get those jets to the proper pilot groups by any means necessary." I mean seriously, what else could he have meant? Best case, and I mean best case, he was merely thinking about 70 and up seat turboprops. Absolute best case. |
Some FO schedules are out........
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1151793)
I like the way you think. It's easy to point out the million reasons we shouldnt get a raise. I bit of defeatist way to go about things. Several here seem to do that alot (I suspect a few are management). You, on the other hand, give a very good reason why Delta could afford to give a healthy raise. I especially like your take the bull by the horns lead the way attitude.:)
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1151811)
Especially when they interrupt the Freakin Movie. I had this happen last week.
TEN http://www.rcharvey.com/images/steve-1.gif |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1151815)
Translation:
"There's a lot of exciting large Rj airframes coming to market soon, many of which are already on firm order by current DCI whipsaw providers under long term contract to DL, inc., and DL wants to outsource them to the lowest bidder. We will work on "creative solutions" to get those jets to the proper pilot groups by any means necessary." I mean seriously, what else could he have meant? Best case, and I mean best case, he was merely thinking about 70 and up seat turboprops. Absolute best case. |
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