Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1164102)

I think whoever puts those updates out has been pulled aside and "educated" about the needs to manage pilot expectations. There is no way, barring a massive downturn or another scope sale, that we can get away with putting off hiring until 2015. That is just insane and they know it. The fact that they are pushing the limits of reality just to manage expectations is not only effecting their credibility but possibly tipping their hand to how "constructive" the negotiations are going to be.

Of course I'm sure if we agree to outsource another couple hundred large RJ's that will create mainline jobs LOL!

Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1163977)

The screener, 30 year old Lateisha El, then reportedly shoved the pilot and hurled a full cup of hot coffee at his face.

Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 1164039)

Anyone read the May update from Crew Resources? Doesn't look good for pilot hiring (Q&A at the bottom of the document). :(

Originally Posted by Superdad (Post 1164089)

You gotta be $hitting me! I have already been on reserve for 4 years, I was really hoping this would be my last year of reserve. I guess I have at least 2 more years to go!

We need an early out with retiree medical to get rid of these old farts already!:)

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1163702)

I don't know if padre is real but we ignore the "padre" segment of our pilot group at our own peril.
They are out there.

There are several different variations of padre.
Some dream of moving into management. (or already think of themselves as management because they are "Captains")
Some want to be union honchos and think managing expectations is their mission.
Some derive their satisfaction, pride and self worth from the corporation's success. They regularly wear Delta ball caps and clothing when they are not at work and have a Delta bumper sticker on their car. The bankruptcy nearly killed them.
Others have a blue collar mentality, live modestly and frugally, already make more money than their neighbors and can't understand why anyone needs to make more than $150,000 to live a comfortable life. They may even feel guilty about their compensation.

We need those people. We need their votes. We should calmly and rationally refute their arguments. Explain to them why airline pilots should be highly compensated professionals and why the current level of compensation is grossly inadequate for our training, skill level and responsibilities.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1163590)

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1163761)

You're right. They will "get by". Until they don't.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1164153)

I don't think the "Takeoff warning... ckd" on airplane #5 is going to go very well.

Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 1164137)

And I've been at a crappy regional for 8 years. Been applying to Delta since early 2008. My fear is that when you guys finally do start to hire, I'll be deemed "untrainable" due to being "too set in my ways". 4500 TPIC and counting with no end in sight. I'd rather be a reserve gear yanker at DL making more money, with a better retirement package.