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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1220886)
So from this post it sounds like you'd prefer to negotiate the next "merger" contract from the higher ground of the TA?? :D
Buzz are you thinking of changing to a YES? I'll be honest, the reason you put above is a big part of my YES vote. Aside from what I see as benefits to this agreement, why not start from higher ground on the next interim agreement? 1. This is the first management team that I've respected and been proud of. I like the way they're doing things. At least to this point. I'm willing to give them my vote for more success. I may regret that but, right now, I'm in. I'm not a rube. I've been in a lot of different organizations. These guys actually want to run a successful airline. Me too. 2. If our NC came to us with this TA, what makes me think this same team can go back to the table and get anything better? Nothing. We're out-gunned if that's the scenario. I'm not cool with starting all over with a new team and, I'm sorry, DPA is DOA. 3. This TA is for three years. It's essentially an extension. The mere fact that the company came to us and pushed this through means that something bigger is up. And soon. I'll bite my tongue, fly my jet and be an amazingly loyal employee. I'm a big picture guy. Somethings up. We'll be back at the table soon. Until then, I'm an expectant and semi-happy camper. 4. Finally, I see this, after serious review, as being a short term scope gain. I'm a football fan. When the climate is bad and you can't throw it deep for the big score, you grind it out on the ground. The current economic environment is like Lambeau Field in January. If its cold and the winds are swirling, you run the ball and dump it off for short gains. Ironically, that's how SWA has done it. We can all learn that lesson and not bank our hopes on a Hail Mary. Plus, as an LA guy, the fact that we're reclaiming 15% of the code share from AK makes me cautiously optimistic. I'm voting yes after weeks of study, being ****ed off, and talking to reps and fellow pilots. This is a win, not a grand slam, but a win. I'm in. Buzz |
Geez, buzz... are you that depressed from a certain decision from a certain court that may or may not have happened today and probably doesn't have anything to do with politics of any sort? ;)
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1220967)
Until then, I'm an expectant and semi-happy camper.
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Well, tis the night before the vote is over and that means picture time!
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1220972)
Geez, buzz... are you that depressed from a certain decision from a certain court that may or may not have happened today and probably doesn't have anything to do with politics of any sort? ;)
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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1220980)
First Clamp, and now you Buzz? Something about this TA is making everyone pop out the babies.
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http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp4-75.png I think this is the post that screwed UAL's ALPA up... http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/temp3-28.png I remember when this wasn't good enough! ^^^^^^ |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1220982)
Nah, while that was in fact disturbing, it was Ann Curry leaving the Today Show that pushed me over the edge. She just couldn't carry that ball across the goal line. Bastards.:D
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1220967)
Yes, I changed from no to yes yesterday. Here's why:
1. This is the first management team that I've respected and been proud of. I like the way they're doing things. At least to this point. I'm willing to give them my vote for more success. I may regret that but, right now, I'm in. I'm not a rube. I've been in a lot of different organizations. These guys actually want to run a successful airline. Me too. 2. If our NC came to us with this TA, what makes me think this same team can go back to the table and get anything better? Nothing. We're out-gunned if that's the scenario. I'm not cool with starting all over with a new team and, I'm sorry, DPA is DOA. 3. This TA is for three years. It's essentially an extension. The mere fact that the company came to us and pushed this through means that something bigger is up. And soon. I'll bite my tongue, fly my jet and be an amazingly loyal employee. I'm a big picture guy. Somethings up. We'll be back at the table soon. Until then, I'm an expectant and semi-happy camper. 4. Finally, I see this, after serious review, as being a short term scope gain. I'm a football fan. When the climate is bad and you can't throw it deep for the big score, you grind it out on the ground. The current economic environment is like Lambeau Field in January. If its cold and the winds are swirling, you run the ball and dump it off for short gains. Ironically, that's how SWA has done it. We can all learn that lesson and not bank our hopes on a Hail Mary. Plus, as an LA guy, the fact that we're reclaiming 15% of the code share from AK makes me cautiously optimistic. I'm voting yes after weeks of study, being ****ed off, and talking to reps and fellow pilots. This is a win, not a grand slam, but a win. I'm in. Buzz |
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