There is a guy in Idaho that was trying to do this...problem is you can't do it with the quickpick option so you have to manually fill out paper tickets for each number you play. You can play 5 numbers per ticket so you need 35,200,000 tickets to play every number. They figured if one person was filling them out continually with no breaks it would take them 28 years.

While it should be paying almost 39 credit hours (shhhh don't tell but I'll settle for 35 if the scope, W-2 and other improvements are good enough).

I could care less what gateway they have to go through as long as 100% of them are junior to 100% of current DL pilots.

That's what I worry about too. Better to start a clean brand new certificate and start from scratch as they are drawn down in a controllable fashion. We can't risk a seniority grab for any reason, especially while trying to help another pilot group.

You can go to the lotto office and give them $179 Mill and they will guarantee you a winner combination without having to fill out 179 million tickets. It was on the news the other day. Like someone else stated, your biggest risk is having to share the jackpot with multiple people. Odds are 12-1 that there wont be a winner tonight. Odds favor 4 winning tickets tonight.

Its a huge loss because we are paying for something that is going to happen anyway. We are just making it easier on the company to do what they want to do a little bit sooner. In exchange we permanently sell more DC-9-10 replacement jet jobs to the lowest of the low, cut throat, ace dealer bidder. That will permanently increase the downward pressures on our careers especially at the small narrowbody level. So if the 717's are really a part of this deal, we are being played like a fiddle if this ends up happening.

While we're at it, how about if we get rid of the hats we will accept a 75% raise. Or penthouse hotel suites only if we are willing to change short call from 2 hours to 24 hours?

Us proposing something as asinine as that would be similar to the company trying to bribe us into getting rid of 50 seaters that they can't get rid of fast enough so they can outsource more of our jobs AND provide more pressure to our existing jobs.

That said, I don't think they would offer any significant AS/JV reform just to get out of 50 seater leases that they will be out of eventually anyway.

Now if they want to get serious, and wanted something like what you suggested, they would have no reason not to include a sunset on ALL 51-76 seat jets once they got the *temporary* relief they needed to pay off the 50 seater loan sharks. But they won't be interested in that. They will want permanent 51-76 increases in exchange for something else they also want. Foxtrot that noise.

15,5,5,5 will pass if - 5:15/calendar day minimum, 5:15/day for training, 5:15/day for vacation and vacation is pay and credit, increase DC plan 1%/year for every year of contract, 1 minute of pay for every minute running time of distributed training and tighten scope (don't have specifics for this - it must be better). All of the work rule improvements will increase pay (or decrease days of work so if you need more pay you can WS). Just my quick thoughts.

We're getting more feelers than a virgin on prom night, lately!:)

Shiznit,

I'd say that item scuttles the Scope deal, which scuttles a T/A, if the current language remains concerning the 3:1 additive beyond 767 mainline aircraft. The others don't strike me as outlandish.

IF the language was reversed, i.e. 1:3 beyond actual airplanes IN SERVICE, AND it was a rolling max, i.e. no reducing mainline without reducing RJ's, AND the other sections on large-gauge scope were adressed (including a reduction/improvement in the Alaska language), THEN it might be worth considering.

One way to look at this is that taking 717s is seen as a consession and that's why they want a concession in return. See, DC95 flying and below is not ours. We make the assumption that 76+ is ours but they don't, they see 150 seats as ours and anything below is effectively no mans land until we give up scope and allow it to finally be occupied.

The 717s are coming at them and they can't resist the deal and you know they'll take it but they are probably not happy about it in terms if mainline pilot growth into a place they don't want us. Shows you how good this deal must be.

Hope that's not true but this is an open marriage and the free condo in Destin is going to be "ours" and not for the young thin floozie thatll do anything you want plus she tattoed her name twice on her back. She's more fun at the beach now than we are. :rolleyes:

And reserve guarantee is ALV or 78 hours plus....

That might pass just barely.