I have no idea how DALPA calculated the surveys. I was however always taught to get a correct number you throw out the extremes both high and low. Every survey was read by a individual. The written comments were in my mind key to the surveys. Do you think yours got more or less credibility from whoever read it?
Your number would not really move a bell curve anyway. If you averaged every survey it would have a effect. It would not change a bell curve.

A risk I was willing to take.

These are undetailed bullet points. And they weren't a "leak" they were published. ;)

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Funny when I posted on here that I did not see myself voting yes based on the negotiations update no one accused me of working for the company or DALPA!!!!

Never do math in public. I made a mistake. If vacation paid 6 hours a day then 5 weeks vacation would allow me to take 2.5 months off. Sill not a bad deal!!!

So how many additional, permanent, DC-9-10 replacement jets are we allowing? 50? 100? I know our reps won't tell us because they probably don't even know themselves, but the ASA, Comair, Mesaba and Compass MEC's probably know.

We will know the details seven days after the reps get their hands on the contract language and then vote. They can reduce the seven day window my majority vote and may do that if they feel compelled to do so. The wait to tear it apart is probably almost over.

So we're giving up significant amounts of additional DC-9-10 replacement jet lift for less than profitable LCC parity?

Oh yeah, it'll have total section 1 secutity other than a 300+ fleet of 76(+?) seaters. Right. So a COLA and a scope sale, with a bit more on the front end. So much for engaging constructively.

Your are right and the "time value of money" of 29% in a year and a half, in itself, could be worth a quick signing by us...all things being equal.

But all things aren't equal. We know for a fact that there are numerous concessionary elements in the upcoming TA simply by what the NNP said. At the very least several hundred pilot positions eliminated over time, even assuming we don't hand more capacity to AS, DCI and the LCC's just to buff quarterly revenue in the short term (although odds are we will).

Then there is the upcoming scope sale of additional DC-9-10 replacement jets at the labor busting DCI whipsaw machine.

Does anyone really think the concessionary work rules we've seen will be exceeded by secret, hidden work rule gains they just didn't tell us about when they chose to tell us about the bad ones? Who negotiates like that?

Throw in the possible lack of an early opener/acceletated arbitration and a 3 year deal plus RLA stalling is more than enough to erase 29% with compounding inflation, yet the scope and work rule/staffing concessions are permanent. But even if there is another early opener, we're not going to get the scope we just sold back, and likely not the work rules/staffing either.

I'd rather see a strongly worded statement about how we couldn't even come close to an agreement with the company due to the serious long term concessionary mentality they had, we're done outsourcing more large RJ's and in fact must go the other way with that, and we will not fund the company's upcoming retirements with staffing concessions. Hopefully the LEC's will chock block a POS like this if thats what it ends up being.