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tsquare 05-14-2012 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1188267)
No, just vote no.

We'll see. It is too early for DefCon 4.

forgot to bid 05-14-2012 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by DogWhisperer (Post 1188259)
Question...purely hypothetical. I do not have any advanced knowledge...just trying to use my Louisiana education. How would it look if we are able to get 6 hrs. a calendar day? That would make a four day trip worth 24 hours minimum, 3 day 18, etc. If that was factored in with a higher ALV, wouldn't we wind up working less than now? I commute and fly mostly four days, averaging 14-15 days a month away from home. If the day credit was calendar based and was raised to 6 hours, would't I be working less days away from home for the same number of hours. Now factor in a 20% increase in the pay rate and it is now a different ballgame. Please understand, I am not trying to settle....just trying to wrap my poor, burned out mad dog brain around possible options. Would someone better with numbers like to play around with this and let me know how it looks. Jethro Bodean and I are not far apart, mentally.

To me that would help the cause.

Hence, why the reason not to go to defcon 4 over the nnp and hope what was said there was more strategic than it looks. Say a mutually agreed to lead trial balloon of some concessions that the NC does not want and not some all of a sudden sloppy communicating of portions of something that does not and should not be released piecemeal.

That's the glass half full view.

Section 1, however, still remains seperate from Section 2 and on.

PropNWA 05-14-2012 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1188253)
I second this post. I guess I know why everyone here dislikes my posts. I am in the minority. I will be one of the 30 percent "no voters."

No, that's not why...

PilotFrog 05-14-2012 07:08 PM

So sailing is saying that the survey said we are happy to be paid less than SWA pilots on similar equipment 700s vs 88s cause less than 30% doesn't get us there.

That was a bombshell sailing posted as well. Very suspicious he would reveal anything about the survey results, much less that huge nugget of info.

Jack Bauer 05-14-2012 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1188250)
What "leaks" have indicated we are selling work rules?

These will greatly affect staffing numbers (more stagnation) and would make reserve potentially very abusive.

Reserve

o Reserve guarantee

§ Increase to 72:00 – 80:00 (variable with ALV)

§ Max reserve changed from ALV to ALV + 15:00

§ Ability to pick up additional on-call days for increased reserve guarantee

o X-days

§ Increase to 13/14 for bid periods with a reserve guarantee of 72:00-74:59

§ Remain at 12/13 for bid periods with a reserve guarantee of 75:00-80:00


§ Max of seven for bid periods with a reserve guarantee of 75:00-80:00 (delayed until 14-hour int’l short call implemented under new FARs)

§ Ability to pick up additional short call period for increased reserve guarantee

Check Essential 05-14-2012 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1188228)
I don't have time to put my detectives hat on, but sailings post is very suspect. :confused::confused:

Suspect indeed.

For months now ALPA has been telling us that it would be foolish and irresponsible to disclose that number. That it would give management an advantage in the negotiations. Like showing your cards in poker, yada yada.
So the day the pay rate talks begin, sailingfun comes out and not only claims to know the number but posts it on a public website. And surprise surprise, its a lowball number.
Something doesn't smell right.

Gunfighter 05-14-2012 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1188257)
So.. you gonna dust off that resume'?

Dusted off, edited and submitted... Also lining up financing for a small business loan.

The more options we create for ourselves individually outside of Delta, the stronger we are as a group at the negotiating table.

JungleBus 05-14-2012 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1187774)
Oh really. Care to let a few facts be interjected? Here are the pay raises that have occurred at various airlines since 2008.

DAL: 18%
NWA: 26%
LUV: 7%
CAL: 2%
AMR: 1.5%
UAL: 1.5%
AAA: 0%

So, just who are you referring to?

Whoa. Un-farking-believable. Too bad I was offline most of today so I didn't see this response sooner. It completely proves my point - that ALPA has accepted post-bankruptcy contracts as "the new normal" and thinks any marginal pay raises above those levels are some huge victory to celebrate. 18% over bankruptcy rates and you're ready to crow about it!? Subtract the 11% inflation since 2008 and it's even more pathetic. And really, by selecting 2008 as your "random" start date, 18% was the very best you could come up with. The terrible performance would be more palatable if ALPA showed any sign of distress over it. Instead they just send your ilk to defend it. Pathetic. :mad:

acl65pilot 05-14-2012 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1188052)
The number in the contract surveys was below 30 percent so I doubt you will see the company move above where we opened.

You getting that from the company? :eek:

80ktsClamp 05-14-2012 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1188334)
You getting that from the company? :eek:

It very likely came from a very dark, stinky, and dangerous place located in his hindquarters from where he usually speaks.


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