I don't have time to put my detectives hat on, but sailings post is very suspect. :confused::confused:

Seems to indicate they dicked it up again. Or they decided to time this leak that the pilot group supposedly asked for under 30% right before the numbers are out to.....wait for it...........manage expectations once again.

I agree though, he is basically going against what was said would be done. In essence using the "secret survey numbers" to lower expectations instead of letting us all see them early on which could have empowered us. ALPA loves to keep us in the dark, and make decisions for us. History repeats itself.

Lets at least hope some of the top ALPA guys manage to constructively engage themselves into better positions....politics, airline management consulting or management positions are waiting. Screw the rest of yall.

Whoops! You just got schooled PG! No Internet access?

That right there is funny^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I wish we had better emoticons on this board.. these are boring.

What "leaks" have indicated we are selling work rules?

The point I keep trying to make is: it depends.

Maybe.

I'll use another extreme example, but let's say they can work all reserves to 99 hours every month. In return for this abuse, we bring ALL outsourced flying home and get a 50% payraise.

Is the above a win for the pilot group as a whole? It depends. Bringing all flying in house would probably have enough of a net positive for guys to consider it a great success. Ice the cake with a little $ and now we're talking.

My example is ridiculous, but the point is: we all need to see the WHOLE deal before we start choosing what isn't acceptable.

We've all established many times that we have a price to be bought. Heck, for 100 Billion Dollars I'll have an RJ tattooed on my forehead. I absolutely have a price to outsource more of our jobs. Fortunately I'm 100% positive that management cannot afford to buy me off, let alone 11,999 of my fellow Delta pilots.

Serenity now. :p It appears that we'll have some better info to go on sooner than later.

I second this post. I guess I know why everyone here dislikes my posts. I am in the minority. I will be one of the 30 percent "no voters."

So.. you gonna dust off that resume'?

Question...purely hypothetical. I do not have any advanced knowledge...just trying to use my Louisiana education. How would it look if we are able to get 6 hrs. a calendar day? That would make a four day trip worth 24 hours minimum, 3 day 18, etc. If that was factored in with a higher ALV, wouldn't we wind up working less than now? I commute and fly mostly four days, averaging 14-15 days a month away from home. If the day credit was calendar based and was raised to 6 hours, would't I be working less days away from home for the same number of hours. Now factor in a 20% increase in the pay rate and it is now a different ballgame. Please understand, I am not trying to settle....just trying to wrap my poor, burned out mad dog brain around possible options. Would someone better with numbers like to play around with this and let me know how it looks. Jethro Bodean and I are not far apart, mentally.

No, just vote no.