Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1183468)

I'll give up transforming 1 70 seat jet for 1 76 seat jet if:

a) All 50 seaters are parked and their number capped at 1. Just to remind us what happens when we give up scope.

b) Alaska codeshare gone. If we merge in next 5 years all of DCI parked.

c) Whatever George says to do about the JVs.

d) All of DCI pilot positions must be transferred from non Delta pilots to seniority list Delta pilots, with seats open for bidding and training in house, by 2015.

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1183733)

Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1183717)

If you don't like it you can apply elsewhere:D

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1183558)

You're absolutely right. But if you are going to compare our productivity to SW, you also need to comparte our SCOPE to SW's...don't we?
No, I expect to increase productivity to match SWAPA's. Just like I expect SWAPA's SCOPE.
Carl

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1183611)

If it's for a June vacation, you should be able to enter your desired dates in PBS, just pick the date range you prefer. There is a "Notepad" about it burried somewhere on the DALPA Forum, on the opening page or in the PBS forum.

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom (Post 1183365)

With regard to the Negotiator's Notepad:

I am extremely disappointed with DALPA and the negotiating team. We have been working under essentially bankruptcy forced work rules and pay rates for the better part of ten years. (Yes, there have been a few increases, but depending on one's sources, they haven't kept up/barely kept up with inflation.)

We have been told by numerous sources that ALPA "get's it"... We have been told that we have leverage...

And this is what they have negotiated? This is ALPA "getting it"? YGTBSM!!!

I don't need to see the whole contract because there is enough there now for me to say to say no.

I'm somewhat surprised this hasn't been pointed out, but under the proposed changes to reserve, crew scheduling can "park" a pilot just under the ALV so he/she is still on the hook and wait for a high time trip and fly them right up to ALV+15.

Sure there are a few minor improvements, but to me anyway what has been negotiated so far are significant productivity concessions. WHY ARE WE GIVING UP ANYTHING?

Lastly, from previous experience, I think the remaining negotiations will go something like this: Company playing hardball on the big stuff and the negotiating team being "burned out", agreeing to insufficient increases in pay rates, scope, etc. They'll say "Gee fellas we did the best we could. You can't reject this or we'll have to start all over. We'll get 'em next time...."

In the case of these expedited negotiations they'll play the "time value of money" card.

I don't want to wait (again) for "next time".

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1183461)

I'm still not too clear on why the company came to us, to open early, and get this thing done quickly. All I've heard from my Rep. when I called him to ask is,

"Richard wants to pursue Other Opportunities..."

Ummm...Ok, but what's in it, for US?

Are we going to get MORE MONEY/Benefits/Retirement/Work rules, etc. (another 'bite of the apple') if/when this Other Opportunity comes about? What if we are still in contract negotiations a year from now, and Delta has just posted a $2Billion proffit?

What if Richard's "Other Opportunity" is...Getting the Pilots to rush into being locked into a substandard contract for several more years, with minimum pay/benefit restoration now, before Delta starts making $2Billion/yr. with his new cheap fuel farm?? Or before O'Bama gets re-elected, or before he buys...? someone else, shrinks the mainline (again) and gives our DC9 flying to yet another RJ operator? Or all of the above?

Unless we get a huge pay restoration, with huge retirement paybacks, with upside profit sharing protections for if/when his fuel farm (the one our pay cuts paid for) purchase starts 'paying off', and better scope/job protections, I'm in no hurry to commit to yet another long term bankruptcy pay rate/benefit contract (adjusted for inflation, we are still there today!).

I see no reason to rush into this, just because he -said- he's got "Other Opportunities".

As I tell my wife when ever she wants me to do housework;

"Don't Rush ME! If I rush, I'll make mistakes, and we don't want that now do we?"

Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1183803)

Where are the usual DALPA cheerleaders?

Eerily silent from the FPL-collecting spin machine. Could it be they are as disgusted as the rest of us at this turn of events?

What are the chances that the LEC reps sh!tcan this steamer?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1183546)

One more thing. The whole allowing reserves to fly to AL+15 does one thing many are missing; It allows the reserves available number to stay high, thus allowing line holders a better ability to swap.