Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1183902)

I was on a hotel bus today and overheard a conversation between a regional guy and a fairly senior looking wide body FO. This FO did not know if we were hiring or furloughing, and also didn't know when our contract was amendable. Pretty sure this guy is either an easy yes vote on anything, or not even going to vote. It's hard for me to imagine how one could be so unaware. I hope there aren't many like that, but I fear otherwise.

Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1183933)

Awesome drum solo!

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1183902)

I was on a hotel bus today and overheard a conversation between a regional guy and a fairly senior looking wide body FO. This FO did not know if we were hiring or furloughing, and also didn't know when our contract was amendable. Pretty sure this guy is either an easy yes vote on anything, or not even going to vote. It's hard for me to imagine how one could be so unaware. I hope there aren't many like that, but I fear otherwise.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1184046)

Reminds me of something my last A said. He mentioned that back after 9/11, I want to say 2003 or 2004 or so, he was talking to another pilot and said "with guys on furlough..." and that pilot interupted and said "we have guys on furlough??"

yikes.

i think his response was ###?

So it's not new, but still amazing.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1183927)

Maybe not. A lot of guys trying to give ALPA the benefit of the doubt with what we've seen so far (Neg. Notepad). But when the actual TA comes out, it will be vetted here and on the DALPA Forum like never before. If the pay and scope sections are stinkers (i.e. don't make significant progress toward restoration of pay and reversal of outsourcing), that, along with what we've seen so far is going to raise a lot of eyebrows and may open enough eyes to see a different outcome from years past. Sure, there will always be the committed ALPA loyalist lemming types... but I think there are many of us (hopefully the majority) that look at it from a practical business standpoint. We know what we've put into this career... the sacrifices we and our families have made along the way. We know the very significant responsibility we have on a daily basis and we are painfully aware of the career risks (medical, etc.) to which we are always exposed. A 42% lower standard of living than what we had 10 years ago and a huge percentage of Delta passengers being flown by non-Delta pilots... well, I don't think that is something that many of us will accept anymore. (Some of us never accepted it.) It's time to put our collective feet down and make a stand.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1184039)

In a way, I really admire these guys. I come on here almost every day to read the same crap from the same guys, and it gets really really old. I guess sometimes it is worth it because I occasionally (it is more and more rare however) find that nugget of information that drew me here in the first place. But for those of you.. and you know who you are... we get it. This is ALPA's last chance. If we don't get total restoration, you're voting no. You're tired of the FPL... you're voting no....... blah blah blah.......

And then there are those guys that you talk about.

They come to work. They do their job. They have remained moderately senior for QOL..... Then they go home to their families and forget all about Delta until time to go back to work. (One on my new hire classmates is still a 73FO, and has probably never been on any of these pathetic web boards) Good for them. Many of them probably live well within their means. They might be a little upset about things while at work, but like presidential politics, they realize that they have one vote and that vote for the most part truly is meaningless.

They probably even wear their hats and don't think twice about it. Gaaaaaah how can they be so idiotic?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1184056)

Great post. I am very interested to see the rest of the package to see if there is any of that.