Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1177658)

Here is the entire initial post in context, followed by your entire post in full context:





I don't relish fighting with you tsquare, but I never take anyone's posts out of context - ever. Your template is one of saying something intemperate, then crying foul when you get called on it using your own words. It's unbecoming any line pilot, much less an LCA who is an LCA on an airplane that has a considerable number of fNWA guys on it.

You'd do yourself a much bigger favor by apologizing when you say something stupid, instead of targeting people who repost your own words.

Carl

Originally Posted by fly2002 (Post 1177216)

Its like chess....you look multiple moves down the road and your thinking of what your opponent will do.....you already know your own reaction to what their move will be. Their goal is to outsource everything under the sun and have low pilot pay. So ask yourself....how would you do that if you were the manager?

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1177650)

Aha! Just figured it out. T, are you and Carl married?;)

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1177655)

Funny Buzz... naaah, I love my wife.

Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1177467)

DEEP BREATH BOYS:

Fly the airplane
Silence the bell
Identify the emergency
Read the checklist
DO NOT HURRY

Nwa guys know this, for our Delta Bro's that is the only memory items we had. Keep it simple and be methodical.

We control the outcome here and there is no reason to panic. Let's wait to see what they come up with and methodically break it down. This is not a vote on a ch11 contract or face a 1113 term sheet from a judge. Our company is doing very well, thanks in no part to our contributions. We don't HAVE to have a contract now. Would it be nice? Of course, but only if it has major improvements in scope and compensation and solid improvements in other areas.

Have faith in your reps, more importantly the Neg. team and yourselves. We have more ways to communicate now than any other time in history and that is what will make a difference this time. Lots of really smart guys on here(excluding yours truly) will analyze, disect and breakdown the TA(if there is one). If it does not address our needs as a group you vote no. I am sure that one of the really smart guys on here(ftb, bar, I am nominating y'all for this) can and will post a very simple breakdown in a table format that we can print up. We can take this on the line and educate the less involved/in tune pilots if there is a solid reason to vote no. Those of us on here are fairly in tune with what's going on but we are not the majority. Most just don't have time or care. It is up to us to provide a non emotional response on why turning down a raise today will be to our benefit tomorrow. A heated, emotional response WILL NOT convince the fence sitters that blindly trust ALPA. So relax, be ready and have a good weekend...

Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1177687)

Great post. Why are we assuming scope relief except it seems to be the boogie man of the day and some guy with an agenda here has a "thesis".

On the other hand, most of the guys I fly with are 55+. I see in their eyes that scope is not their priority. How to fund their retirement and improve pay and QOL are. These guys have lost a ton. They may be spring loaded to take the money now. The trick with this contract will be to satisfy them and convince the company that scope is non-negotiable. Talk to your reps. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1177629)

ACL, understand that you and I do not measure with the same metric. My question, and ALPA's question, should first be:

• Does this action unify Delta flying under the control of the bargaining agent for the Delta pilots?

Originally Posted by Lysithea25 (Post 1177602)

But 4000 cards sent in is very far from 4000 votes for DPA. I know a lot of people who sent in cards to let ALPA know of their displeasure, but have no intention of voting for DPA if the time comes.

Oops, in any case, guess this is for another thread eh?

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1177714)

Interesting 7th post you have.

The last four CAs I've flown with haven't sent cards. But they say they will if the opener sucks. Imagine that. The two previous CAs were DPA supporters. I don't know who the diehard ALPA supporter is because I've not flown with one.