Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1181070)

www.airlineapps.com

The interviewee has to send you a link from his/her airlineapps application preferably to your Delta e-mail account.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1181061)

Heard that too.......

Originally Posted by pilotc90a (Post 1180590)

If you had gone to the old school, you would have been allotted 3 hours a day for two weeks to complete the training. That's 30 hours. Most people showed up at class having already looked at the material, and got to study what they wanted for those 30 hours...

Think of it this way, that is about 5 fewer days you have to spend away from home in stuck in a hotel in MSP! The good news is that MTC isn't as draconian on the dress code. A few more months and you would have had to go to ATC.

Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 1181076)

That would be incredibly good news. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1180964)

Good post, Scoop.

I think we're all getting the same feedback, so we know what they're going after, both the NC and the company. We can judge the results when/if there is a T/A.

I do want to make one observation, and I think it's an important concept. Let me see if I can develop it like this:

1) It's not just important what we say on the forum, but what we do.
2) We step up to say we'll vote down a contract that's not satisfactory, and this is good. But we're also tripping over ourselves over rumors, and showing eagerness for a T/A. APC right now is just humming along, powered by eager Delta pilots. That sends a message too.
3) Many of us, including me, are now showing a willingness to look at the T/A, with Section 1 taken in it's entirety. This opens the door for a deal further. Maybe they're now negotiating over a couple of jets here and there, or a % of pay, or an hour of vacation... you get my drift: maybe the whole thing is down to going a little this way, or a little that way.
4) The more anxious we act (not talk), the less management feels they have to yield to get us there, the less leverage our guys have to go just a little further.
5) The more patient we act (not talk), the more management feels they have to give to get us there, the more leverage our guys have to go just a little further.

So think about this, as we perhaps approach the finish line (I'm not playing coy here.... I don't know either):

[B]Patience and discipline might get us more. Patience and discipline might yield 1% extra, might yield 25 less 76-seat jets, might yield a better sick policy... whatever. And that little bit of patience now will pay back dividends every year.

At this point, your target audience is no longer other pilots. We don't have to convince each other of how to vote on a T/A yet, and to influence a T/A, we should be talking to our reps, not just this APC closed loop. This is mostly about showing discipline, as the NC determines whether they can wrap this up properly, or not. This is the time to provide them with just a little extra leverage, IMO.

I'm for one am going to try to put my words where my mouth is, and step back. I'm not a patient man at heart, but I can learn if there is a payoff.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1181206)

The problem with this thought is that most of us are NOT posting rumors. We are posting the exact words of our MEC chairman and Council 20 chairman. In neither of these two gentlemen's letters is there anything about reducing the 76 seat jets, or even holding the line on them. It would have been just as easy to say: "We intend on improving the balance of flying between DAL and DCI AND do so in part by reducing the allowable number of 76 seat jets to fly the Delta brand under DCI." That would have been so easy, but they didn't. No rumors here, just facts. Instead we get this type of stuff from the father who told his son he better not get any more F's on his report card:

Dad: "Did you get any F's this time?"

Son: "I greatly improved the overall grade balance on this report card."

Dad: "Did you get any F's this time?"

Son: "I can tell you that I will not vote for the teacher giving me an F."

Dad: "Did you get any F's this time?"

Son: "You know, it's about a lot more than just grades, and I hate spreading rumors."

Now after this conversation, would the dad not have a right to be concerned that maybe his son got an F? Call it rumor spreading if you wish, but most of us are accurately concerned about what our MEC is taking great pains to specifically omit.

Carl

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1181228)

Sure......you take the words of reps who are trying to hold fast to their NDA and try and give you some information because they don't want to lie to you because they aren't allowed to talk about it and spin it. Tom said he'd never lie to us but couldn't tell us what was going on, so it would be vague. I would say the outright lies on your group's website about the 75 engine failure are far worse than this.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1181232)

I do not even look at that site. What lies are being spewed about the 757 engine failure?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1181232)

I do not even look at that site. What lies are being spewed about the 757 engine failure?

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1181235)

You can't look at that site.. unless you are a member...... :confused: