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hoserpilot 05-03-2012 06:15 PM

Management got bit by having too many 50 seaters. We all know that the contracts and leases are expensive and tough to get out of. Maybe their famous words are coming back to haunt them......

......"a contract is a contract." Doh!!!

More Bacon 05-03-2012 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1181475)
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You really are the Bill Clinton of budding ALPA politicians.


Say what you want about Slick Willie, but the man got a lot of ass. :D

Carl Spackler 05-03-2012 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1181273)
They pay for the scheduling chair that gains hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for improper trip coverage. I am sure they hate that too, but the position is covered. Cripes.

It's improper. Our union dues should pay for those activities...not management.


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1181273)
It does not marginalize these guys. It saves about 4-5 million from our 10 or so million a year for the MEC operation for other items like PUB events, the SEMRA etc. I'd say its not a way to marginalize us.

Again, you don't get it. Our pay should be increased by a commensurate amount of our dues increase so that OUR DUES pay for these union activities. It would be a dollar for dollar wash, except that all of those dollars would come from the members...not management.


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1181273)
Again, if there are transparency issues in DALPA, they are not because of the structure. People make those decisions, not the structure. Ugh.

IF there are transparency issues? Unbelievable. MAROW.

Carl

acl65pilot 05-03-2012 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1181475)
Amazing that you could say that, after you posted this garbage:







You really are the Bill Clinton of budding ALPA politicians. More importantly, you and Johnso29 are moderators. You're supposed to know better. I shouldn't be the one having to tell you two to take it to the other thread.

If there are any other real moderators out there, maybe we should move all of these posts from our two merry band of moderators to the other thread to pre-empt another DPA back and forth.

Carl

Carl the other thread is about ten pages back, I responded to a few posts and frankly nothing precludes the debate here, we just do not want to have the entire thread about it.

As for Mod's we are and that does not preclude us from the debate.

If you want to debate DPA I will do it over there but I am not going to fish for all dead thread. I prefer we keep it there. Bus's retort which I replied to was after your comment. Honestly I did not know that stuff was on that site since I do not read it.

More Bacon 05-03-2012 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1181486)
IF there are transparency issues? Unbelievable. MAROW.

Carl

True. I thought the "lack of transparency" concern was accepted as legitimate by all rational players.

BTW, what's the latest on the FPL accountability thing? I realize negotiations are ongoing, but I hope DALPA knows they are not off the hook by any means regarding the p!ssing away of our money.

Carl Spackler 05-03-2012 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1181287)
Not my intent I just don't see the world through Carl's myopic lenses.

Love it! You knock down your own straw man of NDA's, and I'm myopic. Hilarious.


Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1181287)
Reps doing their best to not lie to my face while maintaining their NDA should be a good thing.

You actually build strawmen for a living...don't you.


Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1181287)
They passed the line from 'wrong' to just flat out lying about the events.

Take it to the other thread.

Carl

acl65pilot 05-03-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1181479)
As is nearly always the case, you miss the point. It's almost as if your "My ALPA Right Or Wrong" (MAROW for short) attitude keeps you from any comprehension. The point is that 24J shouldn't be there. Our union personnel should not be paid by management for work they are doing on OUR behalf. Mangement pays us for work we do on THEIR behalf, and that's how it should be. This current situation of management paying for union work is wrong. Period. If you allowed your MAROW eyes to open, you'd see that.

Carl

Carl, it's not blind allegiance to ALPA. it's what give the delta pilots the most resources to do its job. I am not one that thinks a organizational change is needed to fix the issues. DALPA and whatever issues this pilot group wants fixed can be fixed within the current structure. I know dead horse and we will get to decide a TA which will resolve the other issue soon enough.

Carl Spackler 05-03-2012 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by hoserpilot (Post 1181360)
Hey Carl and gang,

I emailed my reps and was pleasantly surprised by the reply. My first reply came at midnight. The second showed up in my inbox before I woke up the next morning. These guys are working 24/7. I did not ask for numbers or specifics nor did I expect any in the replies. I will not quote or copy and paste their private email on here. I will state that you could infer that they strongly agree with the following quote; "Not one more seat, not one more jet". Hopefully the scheduling gods will be nice so I can attend the meeting next week. Talking directly to my reps sure has helped alleviate the anxiety from reading the doomsday forums! Underboob please.....

That's great hoser. I've not heard any such comments from my guys. Not in writing or otherwise. Only the "improve the balance of flying between DAL and DCI."

Carl

acl65pilot 05-03-2012 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1181486)
It's improper. Our union dues should pay for those activities...not management.



Again, you don't get it. Our pay should be increased by a commensurate amount of our dues increase so that OUR DUES pay for these union activities. It would be a dollar for dollar wash, except that all of those dollars would come from the members...not management.



IF there are transparency issues? Unbelievable. MAROW.

Carl

Carl; Honest question. What is your real agenda? You have blind hatred or disdain for all things ALPA. Answer it on the other thread if you want.

More Bacon 05-03-2012 06:24 PM

I apologize for repeating the question, but...

Do we get to see how each rep voted for the TA?


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