Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

ALPA: We want industry leading wages.
Richard: I'm prepared to pay you industry standard wages.
ALPA: That's what we're making now.
Richard: Exactly. You know what, let's meet in the middle. How's a 5 percent raise per year sound?

Hockey,

You are being generous at 5%. The company can say - We agree with the Delta Pilots and concede to your opener. We will improve everything you mentioned proportional to a cost increase of .5%. We will magnanimously agree to improve every aspect of your contract to a cost level of + .5%, you DAL Pilots win.

In other words - without numbers/percentages this is not really an opener. We are basically saying "We want more."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWa6vsXOKAU

I like a lot of it in general - but it really does not mean much.

Scoop

Elvis90

03-13-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 1151427)

How much more senior do you think the MSPM88B will get with the DC9 displacements? I know its my #1 choice if I get displaced (at a %).

Any MSPDC9B's care to share where they are going and where they sit seniority wise?

Well, MSP is losing 107 pilots positions overall, and they all push downward. Once some retirements kick in, then I'll be able to return. A lot of those -9 guys have very good seniority, they just didn't want to go through training again if avoidable.

10,500 maybe?

forgot to bid

03-13-2012 07:57 PM

Why don't we go ahead and define what "significant" means when one says a "Significantly increase hourly rates of pay"?

And we all agree on it and that is therein what has been promised to us by ALPA.

65%?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cz7pKB8yJX...tuesday-41.jpg

RockyBoy

03-13-2012 08:02 PM

It's about what I expected for a "conceptual in nature" opener. I actually think it looks good as a concept, and could be awesome if the specific numbers are what the survey told them to go with. Everything in there that we have been compaining about is in there.

A couple of things that are not conceptual in nature that stood out to me were:

1. Having retired pilots between 60 and 65 pay the same as active pilots for health care....that would awesome and would create some movement.

2. Allowing a reserve to pick up extra on call days.

3. Moving benefits for a pilot who is awarded an AE to move to a pilot base.

Bill Lumberg

03-13-2012 08:03 PM

Whoops. I missed it.

forgot to bid

03-13-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1151441)

I agree, there are a lot of the things I want. They're mentioned and acknowledged.

http://www.loupiote.com/photos_m/420...end-tunnel.jpg

RockyBoy

03-13-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1151442)

Where are the duty rig and minimum day guarantees? I guess we like 3 days worth 11 hours? Already a no vote.

It's there as far as the min day goes. Change duty period average to a daily average which would take care of the low paying 3 days.....at least the ones with more than 24 hours off in the middle. If we had that now we would get 5:15 per day so any 3 day would be worth 15:45 minimum.

Free Bird

03-13-2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1151442)

Where are the duty rig and minimum day guarantees? I guess we like 3 days worth 11 hours? Already a no vote.

I believe that would be addressed with the daily credit guarantee instead of duty period guarantee. In other words, it's in there.

It's not that long, read the thing.

Bill Lumberg

03-13-2012 08:11 PM

Yeah, I missed it. Alright, I'll consider it.......

Scoop

03-13-2012 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1151442)

Where are the duty rig and minimum day guarantees? I guess we like 3 days worth 11 hours? Already a no vote.

I like the way you are thinking - "NO," but in fairness, it is in there in black and white - change DPA to a daily minimum.

Scoop

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