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SailorJerry 03-25-2012 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy

Just a thought here.

If we get flow agreements to take all Delta pilots from DCI, that drives up their costs significantly. Gordon Bethune hated the flow from CALEX to CAL for that reason. So we drive the costs up by taking the pilots, they have to hire more pilots to deal with the new FT rules, they can't find them due to the new 1500 hour rule. All this stuff drives up the costs at DCI. Eventually someone with a half brain will see it is stupid to outsource stuff to a place that costs more to do the work. I think that the 70-76 seat outsourcing will eventually get where the 50 seat stuff is now and we won't have to "give" anything to get it back.

Lots of stuff going to happen to DCI in the next 3-5 years that will make it ALOT more expensive to run that operation.

Absolutely correct. Airline rumor sniffing 101. Smell a dollar bill. Now go get it boy go get it follow the money!!!

forgot to bid 03-25-2012 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1157492)
Wt f at downtown jfk area, cant find bar with food after midnight. Can thisreally be manhattan on
saturday night? Luckily guinness will serve for lunch in a pinch...

What about 2nd or 3rd avenue?

Btw, I think pizza has salt. Salt is banned in NYC from 10pm to 8am. And if food has salt then you can't give it to the homeless. Go mayor!

Sink r8 03-25-2012 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1157496)
Just a thought here...

Lots of stuff going to happen to DCI in the next 3-5 years that will make it ALOT more expensive to run that operation.

Thinking, in these parts? You can't do that, RockyBoy. If your thinking involves a trend that might be positive, you'll be told you're naive, and if you're seeing trends that don't help us, you're fear-mongering.

gloopy 03-25-2012 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1157496)
Lots of stuff going to happen to DCI in the next 3-5 years that will make it ALOT more expensive to run that operation.

Assuming we don't give up more scope.

And I'd still like to get these prophecies in writing, just in case.

iaflyer 03-25-2012 06:28 AM

I guess Delta is testing a new product, Basic Economy. It's a slightly cheaper fare that doesn't allow seat selection or any changes to the ticket. (aka: compete with Spirit).

Right now it's only in a few markets from DTW (to Florida) but you know how that can expand.

Delta?s New 'Basic Economy' Fare Could Be A Game-Changer - Business Insider

I guess seats will be either assigned at check-in or at the gate. If it's at the gate, they'll be on the Airport Stby list as HKs.

MD88Driver 03-25-2012 07:09 AM

If the 88 FMS is cnx, then the whole re-panel program is on hold. The 88 and 90 FMS databases are maxed out; the cannot hold any more waypoints/data. The re-panel was to help address this, along with the GPS to navigate in the NexGen world.

acl65pilot 03-25-2012 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by MD88Driver (Post 1157602)
If the 88 FMS is cnx, then the whole re-panel program is on hold. The 88 and 90 FMS databases are maxed out; the cannot hold any more waypoints/data. The re-panel was to help address this, along with the GPS to navigate in the NexGen world.

Correct. They need a FMC update if they are going to continue to fly the birds in the Next Gen airspace.

Bucking Bar 03-25-2012 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1157603)
Correct. They need a FMC update if they are going to continue to fly the birds in the Next Gen airspace.

Did they cancel the program, or did they just decide to fix the database and save 30%?

acl65pilot 03-25-2012 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1157607)
Did they cancel the program, or did they just decide to fix the database and save 30%?

Carl said they canceled it, I have not heard anything with regard to that. ( I thought Carl was joking, but what do I know)

forgot to bid 03-25-2012 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1157496)
Just a thought here.

If we get flow agreements to take all Delta pilots from DCI, that drives up their costs significantly. Gordon Bethune hated the flow from CALEX to CAL for that reason. So we drive the costs up by taking the pilots, they have to hire more pilots to deal with the new FT rules, they can't find them due to the new 1500 hour rule. All this stuff drives up the costs at DCI. Eventually someone with a half brain will see it is stupid to outsource stuff to a place that costs more to do the work. I think that the 70-76 seat outsourcing will eventually get where the 50 seat stuff is now and we won't have to "give" anything to get it back.

Lots of stuff going to happen to DCI in the next 3-5 years that will make it ALOT more expensive to run that operation.

I think if I were at DCI I'd fight any flow. You could apply and get hired on merit right now but with a flow you are at the mercy of a slow system that breeds squatters. I'd rather go to mainline as soon as I could rather than wait for people (who could've applied years ago) to flow.

For an airline, and I know some hate me saying this but I've seen it happen in Coex's flow and am sticking to it, a flow sticks you with people you may not want or have turned down in the past. And I'm not talking about people who may have screwed up a cog test, but people whose personalities are unwanted.


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