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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1157728)
Not necessarily. A couple of flow pilots got to pursue other opportunities during the last cycle.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 1157731)
OK. I don't see much value in a flow from our viewpoint either. We're trying to make sure that Delta pilots perform Delta flying. If we ever get to a point where we have to move backwards, we don't want to move backwards to another company, just to smaller planes.
Having a flow-up/flow-down is a way to get stuck with the infamous "first page" of evry regional's seniority list, with marginal benefits for junior regional guys that haven't yet flowed up, and marginal back-stops for the Delta pilots. A comprehensive deal is what I think both sides would need. I've always imagined that, if we were able to recapture large RJ's, it would involve taking pilots. I don't see us being able to negotiate the added cost of hiring brand-new new crews for said planes, when they're already flown by (presumably) qualified pilots. I always assumed we'd have to bite the bullet on getting the few nightmare freaks that sued us back in the day, and the nightmare freaks that are just plain stuck there, in order to strike a deal that works long-term. Maybe there can be some sort of negotiated review, where up to X % of pilots can be rejected by the company? That would certainly have the potential to see any deal crumble, from the regional side. Again, I don't have any knowledge about anything other than the rumors on here, but at the risk of "thinking" again, it seems to me a lot of elements would finally be in place for some sort of grand bargain. Put all 183 CRJ 70+ seaters on one p121 certificate with no 50 seaters and staple those pilots in a new slot controlled staple system. 1. Change our scope, 100% of 70+ seat flying will be done by Delta pilots. But not necessarily by Delta. 2. That means take the 70+ seaters away from Skywest, Comair, Pinnacle, etc. and put them on this new certificate. All of the other carriers will be restricted to 50 seaters except Compass and cough, cough, Alaska. Call the new airline Spacklair Air Lines. 3. Still talking out my butt here, hold on tight... now have Delta hire from DCI into that fleet and place them in class by DOH from their original carrier. Nothing is protected. Off the street hires if not enough apply. But this will only happen on the first go, after this, that flying is open to Delta pilots to bid. How many pilots is this? Probably 1700-2000. How many are hired from DCI and will off the street hires be allowed? Let Delta determine that on the first go at this. 5. Change how the flow will work at Compass and this new carrier, Spacklair. Do something more akin to a Boeing production line. Pilot 1 at Compass gets slot 1 next time we hire, Pilot 2 at the CRJ carrier gets slot 2. Give them all slots. Put spaces in those slots to allow hiring off the street from MIL and other places. Even if those slots aren't filled immediately they exist. 5B. Now that you have the slots in order from Compass and Spacklair, CHA-CHING! STAPLE IT!!!!DAL can determine how many open slots. Figure out how to transfer the Compass flow to this. 4. All of these pilots will effectively be DAL pilots... and their flying, subject to DAL's PWA and as stated DAL pilots may bid for openings at any time if they so choose. 5. Now you've got two carriers, one with E-Jets (Compass) and one with CRJs (Spacklair). Now who owns Spacklair? Like I know how to solve that mess. Let me pick at the solution, not determine it. :D 6. Now this way you know if you're going to hire 500 pilots in 2013 you know what slots you have to fill and when. Very preditctable. Be like, oh, we're hiring 50 in March for increased 88 flying. Well of the first 50 slots, 25 of them are open. So we can hire 25 pilots that will go into those effectively mainline slots. That leaves 25 on the bottom to fill at Spaklair and Compass, so just have another class but maybe of pilots with less time then you'd hire for what was effectively mainline positions. Thus, massive stability in our hiring process... I think. Basically, you can try for a mainline pool or 70 seater pool. Your choice. 7. As to the 50 seaters, we need to scope those things, but if you want multiple carriers flying them have at it. But 70+ is from here on out- different and ours. 8. Lift the 255 limit on 70 seaters but for every 1 increase in 70+ seaters there are 3 50 seaters parked. A 3:1 ratio! How do you like then apples. Does this have holes? YES! I invented it. So of course it does. Just like everything I've rigged at my house. For instance, the ceiling fan. Don't sit under it even though you can't tell it's got any issues. I rig. |
So, I heard a rumor we're stapling DCI. But it's just the CRJ 70+ seat pilots. It's a new type of flow. Moving all 70 seaters to 1 certificate including Compass. Then our pilots will bid first into this new carrier and then they'll hire DCI to backfill. Don't know. Heard it from someone who has flown with a LCP in the last year.
I think it'll happen. Thoughts? |
My brain just seized.
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The problem with all of this 717 and DCI acquisition/staple stuff is that it's all small jets. That's not growth. Big jets are growth. Show me some new 777s, 330s and 787s and I'll get excited. I was moderately aroused with the -900 order being that I fly that plane. Anything smaller is, ahem, ho hum.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1157757)
So, I heard a rumor we're stapling DCI. But it's just the CRJ 70+ seat pilots. It's a new type of flow. Moving all 70 seaters to 1 certificate including Compass. Then our pilots will bid first into this new carrier and then they'll hire DCI to backfill. Don't know. Heard it from someone who has flown with a LCP in the last year.
I think it'll happen. Thoughts? |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1157768)
The problem with all of this 717 and DCI acquisition/staple stuff is that it's all small jets. That's not growth. Big jets are growth. Show me some new 777s, 330s and 787s and I'll get excited. I was moderately aroused with the -900 order being that I fly that plane. Anything smaller is, ahem, ho hum.
I'll hum about that! Besides, the 737-900 cockpit is nothing to hum about: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IULqIjE17v...ea+of+B-26.jpg |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1157772)
More planes than we have now= more captain seats = you and I can finally get off reserve and perhaps someday get to strap on a 4th stripe next to our faded 3.
I'll hum about that! Besides, the 737-900 cockpit is nothing to hum about: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IULqIjE17v...ea+of+B-26.jpg |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1157772)
More planes than we have now= more captain seats = you and I can finally get off reserve ...
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1157770)
I heard it was that only if we open up to allow Republic to fly MRJ's as codeshare with our scope. I think they were offering a 15% 3 year extension to the contract. I heard it from the CPO.
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