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caddis 05-11-2012 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1186514)
We are sort of reading between the lines. And with no contract language.

What people are saying (and I agree) is this: say the ALV is 76. You're sitting at 74 hours. Since the company can take you up to ALV+15 (91 hours), at 74 hours you haven't reached the guarantee, so you aren't "full" and still available for trips. They could assign you a trip for say, 15 hours, taking you to 90, without your consent.

Right now, the language reads that you can't be assigned a trip that takes you over the ALV. So, presently if you are under with a couple of hours of the ALV you are usually done for the month.


According to a rep I spoke to this is not correct. You are full at ALV but scheduling can call and ask you to take a trip that puts you at ALV plus 15. You can say no.

This was put into the contract to allow reserves to fly over ALV if they wanted to without putting in yellow slips. According to the rep one thing pilots asked for was the ability to fly more.

buzzpat 05-11-2012 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by DAL73n (Post 1186521)
My goal with this PWA is to get PAID MORE while WORKING LESS. Now working less may have different meanings to everyone but to me (to eliminate a discussion about commuting vs. home base) I am "on the clock and working" from sign in to sign out (1/2 hour after last landing). I should be paid an appropriate amount for block hours, TAFB, trip rig, duty rig, etc to make sure that my time away from home is productive for me financially. If the company elects to have me fly few block hours (10.5 hour three days) it is up to us to make sure that is the companies choice and we are properly compensated and it's not so financially favorable for the company to do so. I should be able to fly a full domestic schedule (ALV of 72 hours) in 12-13 days a month - very difficult to do so if a lot of trips are 10.5 hour 3 days (or even 12-13 hour 3 day/ 17 hour 4 day) - this needs to be fixed. Also, this 3:15/day credit only vacations, 3:15/day for training, 3:1 training CQ/pay all contribute to not being properly compensated for my work.

Thats one of my biggest issues with this contract. No more three days worth 10.3. If I'm going to layover someplace for 30 hours because it's in the company's best interest, fine, but pay me for it. LAX 73 guys with a line are working 18-20 days a month to make 78 hours. The scheduling process needs to ensure that we are productively used. That, and pay training and vacation commensurate with our duty time.

That is all for now.

OBTW, hanging at the pool at Aria Las Vegas. Serious eye candy. My wife included.

Going2Baja 05-11-2012 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1186405)
FWIW folks DAL just changed its PED policy on the flight deck. This has been a long time coming.

The part I'm missing is where do we get & what kind of tablet are we supposed to use? Is the Co saying that if we buy our own and want to use them that we can, or are they going to provide us tablets?

Baja.

SailorJerry 05-11-2012 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Has anyone noticed a severe uptick in being used while on reserve since the change to the new bucket system?

I am junior in category and as such I am a reserve pilot. But I am also a junior reserve pilot. I fear this is not the place to be with the new system.

Last month, I had a carry over trip which flowed into the beginning of the month. Then I was called out on two shortcalls for a two day and a four day trip. Then I was assigned two other four day trips. I also had two days of military leave. None of these trips were in open time. There was no open time haha.

Already for this month, on my first day available which was a short call, I was called in for a two day trip and now I'm back to sitting another Shortcall.

I am a newbie with sitting reserve since I have almost always been a lineholder prior to this. But even the few times I did sit reserve, I was never used like this. Never.

Am I crazy? Unlucky? Lucky because this always happens in your base/category? Is this happening to others?

Thanks.

I haven't noticed so much an uptick but a feeling that I have even less choice (I'm not very senior). I do see a wider variety in RAW scores. In my base last month they ranged from 50 to 160. Probably just bad luck. I flew 72 credit hours in 26 days once - that was old rules, but if you're the only 2 or 4 day guy available and only 2 and 4 day trips come open, you're just unlucky.

Sink r8 05-11-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1186461)
This REALLY needs to be reposted over on the web board.

Then repost it. CTRL - C, CTRL - V.

52Lobstah 05-11-2012 05:10 PM

I don't post much, but sit reserve and kill time reading this thread.
1. Unless you are a senior F/O on the super premium wide body pay scale this T/A will not be for us. Just a realist.

2. If you don't like your trips don't go to work. There are multiple options available to drop trips via the PWA. Heck there are even ways to get paid and stay at home.

As a collective group we need to realize we have the upper hand and grow a set. There is no one on the property that does not have at least 1.5 months of platinum days and 2 months worth of profit sharing pay. Stay home and enjoy.

Bill Lumberg 05-11-2012 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1186512)
I think the notion reserve is a choice is a bit overstated. That said, there are some pilots that choose in base reserve to achieve a better quality of life than holding a bottom feeder line.

Forcing a reservist to fly potentially near 100 hours/month is ridiculous no matter how you spin it. Again, it just removes an option that some (obviously not Bill Lumberg who is gunning for only his own gains) find usefull in crafting their best quality of life.

Lets keep as many tools (not that kind of tool) available to Delta pilots to tailor their quality of life as possible and not write off one particular option/group simply because it doesn't apply to other groups.

I am not trying to gun for my own gains at all. I want reserve pilots to get better QOL and more pay. I just pointed out that a lot of the more vocal pilots on this board are reserve guys, and that may or may not be by choice. I want the whole contract to be better. I just want the reserve guys to also look at life while not on reserve, which may be around the corner. No need to get hostile.

Jack Bauer 05-11-2012 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1186557)
I am not trying to gun for my own gains at all. I want reserve pilots to get better QOL and more pay. I just pointed out that a lot of the more vocal pilots on this board are reserve guys, and that may or may not be by choice. I want the whole contract to be better. I just want the reserve guys to also look at life while not on reserve, which may be around the corner. No need to get hostile.

OK, I apologize. I must have misunderstood what you were saying.

I guess I am just frustrated with guys talking about giving up QOL or horse trading items that could leave us worse off than we currently are in some areas.

Jack Bauer 05-11-2012 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by 52Lobstah (Post 1186555)
I don't post much, but sit reserve and kill time reading this thread.
1. Unless you are a senior F/O on the super premium wide body pay scale this T/A will not be for us. Just a realist.

2. If you don't like your trips don't go to work. There are multiple options available to drop trips via the PWA. Heck there are even ways to get paid and stay at home.

As a collective group we need to realize we have the upper hand and grow a set. There is no one on the property that does not have at least 1.5 months of platinum days and 2 months worth of profit sharing pay. Stay home and enjoy.

Well said! And let's not move backwards in QOL. Money is important but if you are too damn tired to use it, what's the use.

gloopy 05-11-2012 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1186251)
Could DAL reduce the debt another way? Maybe, but for them it does not solve the DCI issues for at least another ten years. We can force them to pay for those leases; eat them as Carl puts it, or we can force them to hit the leverage point another way. Facts are, they are apparently on a timeline and one that is tight in nature. Will being right and just with the RJ conviction force DAL to pass up opportunities that will grow our list and increase or take? Should we care and stick to our convictions?

IOW, more 76 seaters at DCI. Probably lots more, like 50-100 or even more. OK, while that's an automatic no vote from me and I don't buy into any of the sky is falling alternatives, let's run with that assumption that we *need* these additional 76 seaters and we need them at DCI. Again, I strongly disagree, but let's assume it is the case (cause it WILL be in the TA no matter what.)

At that point, the easiest and most foolproof way to test the validity of management's supposedly desperate RJ lease situation theory is to see the longevity of these additional (as well as existing) large RJ DC-9-10 replacement jets. What I mean by that is even if they truly need these extra jets at DCI and even if it is in our best interests over all (which it isn't) then the company should have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with making all of the additional jets temporary and offer a complete phase out of all of DCI above 50 seats in a reasonable timeframe. As in, no more DCI agreements can be renewed for over 50 seaters ever, and all must be gone by 2020 with very significant reductions starting a few years prior to that. That coincides with a full and complete sunset.

But does anyone really think management will go for that? They want more DC-9 replacement jets at DCI and they want them now. But the key here is they want them permanently. That's how you know they are lying about their intentions. If it were truly a one time please help us out deal that will save epic tons of money, they should have no problem putting an aggressive but doable drop dead sunset clause on all DCI over 50 seats. But THEY WON'T.

Again, that is how you know they are lying. Its also how you know our own MEC falsely thinks they are savvy in partnering with management to sell out more mainline jobs in the long run, even if phase I of all this results in hiring fairly quickly.

The way this is being pushed by the MEC, and supposedly in the spirit of constructive engagement, and to "unleash the DNA of Delta" as the guy who sits behind C.E. Woolman's desk so eloquently puts it, we should face absolutely no resistance in a complete drop dead of all >50 seaters before the decade is out unless what this is really about is permanent narrowbody fleet replacement and a never ending dead weight to our bargaining leverage. There is no other logical reason they wouldn't agree to it that that.

If that is not in the upcoming scope sale in the TA for more large RJ's, the company is lying to us and the MEC is, for whatever reason, partnering with them to gut the smaller end of our narrowbody jobs even more over the long term.


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