It's important for our pilots that have not sat reserve in years or ever to understand that this negotiator's notepad is concessionary and will affect everyone. Every single category will need less pilots.

Quick question... anyone know what the min required time between short calls is if you do them two days in a row? For example, if I had a short call from 10am to 10pm, what time the next day would I be eligible for another short call?

8am. 10 hour separation of SCs.

I'm cool with that. Instead of increasing the reserve guarantee and asking us to work more and need less pilots in category, I say they keep it at 70 and we are only required 14 days on call.

Per Sailingfun and Dalad, you sir are a liar. You are simply junior and one day you will be senior, suck it up. Reserve is a choice anyway. :rolleyes:

Giddy up. Add in even a modest amount of control/biddability for your report time on day one (PM short call, trip preferences, etc) and 14 or even 15 days on would be way better than 6 (or 7) land mine short calls, mid reserve non commutable long call days and the current dart board methods used today. Just like a great commutable (which benefit locals too) 15 day off line is better than a nightmare 18 day off early/late, one day off between crap trips line, so is a corresponding reserve schedule.

Almost 100 hours a year extra pay in your guarantee and 24 extra days off a year (at 30%+ more pay) is the profitable LCC standard yet the NNP doesn't even come remotely close to that.

With all due respect...

When will people stop making that argument as if it means somethin? What I wish for myself (where reserve is NOT a choice) I wish for the top 777A and 747A. And I'm pretty sure guys who have been around that long wish for me what they wish for themselves. It's the other 11,950 pilots I worry about who have your mentality, sir.

Why? Again, we don't know the details of these agreements. You guys are going nuts over bullet points that have no detail.

Everyone goes nuts over the company being able to fly reserves to 97 hours, but it turns out that they need your permission. Not much of a change from now where you can yellow slip past ALV.

How about having the ability to for the company to assign 1more short call a month for up to 10 hours more pay? How many pilots will be assigned that 7th short call in a year. How many pilots will get the extra reserve garuntee?

I hate short call. I HATE it. And I live in base. But let's keep our heads screwed on tight. There is a change coming to the rest and duty rules rules that will knock 10 hours off of it.

So, I guess what i'm trying to say is let's wait and see what the whole deal is before we state that it's a for sure no. We're going crazy over bullet points

5.5/day min Avg calendar day for line holders will drive more staffing.

Equal pay for reserves will drive more staffing.

Any additional credit for vacation will drive more staffing.

Any additional credit for training will drive more staffing.

Any increase to vacation accrual will drive more staffing.

Why don't we all take a deep breath and wait for a full package(if we even get that far) before jumping off the "It's a concessionary contract!" cliff.....jeez!!!

Fyi, he was being sarcastic. Hence the rolleyes. ;)