DON'T JUDGE AN ENTIRE AGREEMENT BY A FEW BULLET POINTS!! You are literally NOT a party to the negotiations.......

Take a breath.... we aren't even sure whether we will see a TA or not!

Dang dude! "Serenity now...."

We don't know when we will see one, but we know we will see one eventually. And we know, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt, that it will allow more large RJ's at DCI yet be called a scope victory. And we know it will have at least several work rule concessions that may or may not be exceeded by gains but it will be called a net gain no matter what. We know it won't have SWA rates or W-2's for 130-ish seat narrowbody equipment and up from there, yet it will be called industry leading. Other than that its a mystery.

Bingo. It's pretty sad what we've been seeing on here lately.

Guilty I guess. No one wants me to eat crow more than me though, believe me.

Not to mention when it is out in its entirety it will be a mad frenzy to hard sell it as the best we can get and we better suck it up with the losses to get the 20% pay gain....all the while losing site that if we vote it in we create more career stagnation and will get beat up with ridiculous schedules keeping us more than ever from our families.

Normally I'm right with your posts, but here's where you lost me:

1. You've gone into deep speculation well beyond the level of detail that is known.

2. You've gone further and speculated into the consequences of that which you speculated on.


You're not the only one, but it boils down to just spinning your wheels and getting your blood pressure up (if you're senior to me, by all means keep it up :D ) over nothing.


In the meantime, I've nearly completely disconnected mentally from this until we see some actual language. That and laughing at hockeypilot calling himself permanently on rsv when he's projected to retire in the top 10 or so.

If you haven't picked up that the final proposal will include more 76 seaters from the cryptic, Clintonesk worded updates regarding scope then you simply aren't using common sense.

There is only one reason DALPA has been dancing around the issue and wont simply state "We aim to reduce outsourced RJ's, especially those larger than 50 seats". They are layering the leaks, trying to upsell even the bad then hope when they spring the 20 to 30% raise everybody will overlook the backslide about to occur from lousy work rules and more outsourced flying. The warning signs are already there, but some choose to look the other way and will settle for a pay raise.

PM sent. Out all day today too.

We'll see if we get a TA and what it holds. They know the consequences of putting out a poor product. I'll reserve judgement until that day comes.

It'd be a lot more fun it if it was called at T&A and not just TA.

Just saying.