Funny how someone post those numbers on another forum and all of a sudden it comes from a reliable source. I read it on the internet so it must be true.

These numbers are more reliable than you think.

Have you spoken to your rep? Unless I heard something from someone directly involved then I would find it hard to believe. Just curious why you think they are reliable. I think we will find out tomorrow the truth anyway.

"You cannot believe everything you read on the internet."

-Abraham Lincoln

I'm trying to look on the bright side here, I trust my Reps. Maybe by tomorrow night we won't have to speculate and we'll see the real numbers. I have no idea if those numbers are accurate or not, but if they are, there had better be a whole lot of -other stuff- (ie. MONEY) burried in the 28 other sections of the contract, that will add significantly to our W2 and retirement funding.

Things like much higher per diem (tax deductible), Much more DC contributions (tax free), Much more 'minimum day' gaurantee (more days off), Much more credit for both training AND vacation, etc. I liked what I read about the sick leave improvments. Maybe the other sections have similar changes, that will add to our W2, and QOL, without adding to our IRS bill.

It's a big contract, there are lots of places they can stash money. The headlines will only talk about the actual "pay raise" number, but obviously, there's 28 other places that need to be increased as well.

What happens if you call out sick during a layover? Does the company fly you home? Any other details to think about? Thanks

I don't know what the FOM says, but when I became sick on a layover, they allowed me to stay in the hotel until I was ready to fly home. And then I picked the flight, and they put me on it. No complaints.

Thanks, KC10 great info

You don't mean getting rid of the HUD, do you? I can hand fly the shxt out that bitxx with a HUD!

When the HUD's out, I always gain a new level of respect for my FO's.

I posted on here a long time ago that pilots would be shocked at managements opener on pay. I don't know if 4,8,3,3 is accurate but I can tell you that their opener was a lot less. For reasons I don't understand many pilots you would consider intelligent think we have some kind of massive leverage on the company. When I ask them what it is and what kind of dollar value they attach to it they get a deer in the headlights look.
The reality is that there are a bunch of little reasons management would like to get a contract done now. There are however no compelling reasons they need a contract complete. They are willing to spend a bit of money to get it done now but there is no reason to open your checkbook wide when you have the RLA in your back pocket. 5 more years under this contract can save the company a enormous amount of money. Not to mention if its a 3 year contract they don't have to negotiate another for 8 years.
I harbor no illusions about a no vote. The time value of money is real and the ability to be doing another contract in 2016 is huge verses 2020 or later. I will not however vote for a 4,8,3,3 contract. I realize in effect its a 12 percent raise at the amendable date but I am not going to vote for it if it makes it out of the MEC. I have emailed my rep and asked him for a no vote if that is in fact the offer. In the end it comes down to the company showing some respect for the sacrifices of the pilot group. We should know tomorrow if the rumors are accurate. I hope they are not but if it comes to pass they are correct then the company has stated loud and clear how they value the pilot group and its sacrifices.
Now back to your regularly scheduled channel to cue Carl to blame it all on ALPA.