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Do we have published pay rates for the 737-900 already?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1191942)
I posted on here a long time ago that pilots would be shocked at managements opener on pay. I don't know if 4,8,3,3 is accurate but I can tell you that their opener was a lot less. For reasons I don't understand many pilots you would consider intelligent think we have some kind of massive leverage on the company. When I ask them what it is and what kind of dollar value they attach to it they get a deer in the headlights look.
The reality is that there are a bunch of little reasons management would like to get a contract done now. There are however no compelling reasons they need a contract complete. They are willing to spend a bit of money to get it done now but there is no reason to open your checkbook wide when you have the RLA in your back pocket. 5 more years under this contract can save the company a enormous amount of money. Not to mention if its a 3 year contract they don't have to negotiate another for 8 years. I harbor no illusions about a no vote. The time value of money is real and the ability to be doing another contract in 2016 is huge verses 2020 or later. I will not however vote for a 4,8,3,3 contract. I realize in effect its a 12 percent raise at the amendable date but I am not going to vote for it if it makes it out of the MEC. I have emailed my rep and asked him for a no vote if that is in fact the offer. In the end it comes down to the company showing some respect for the sacrifices of the pilot group. We should know tomorrow if the rumors are accurate. I hope they are not but if it comes to pass they are correct then the company has stated loud and clear how they value the pilot group and its sacrifices. Now back to your regularly scheduled channel to cue Carl to blame it all on ALPA. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1191943)
Do we have published pay rates for the 737-900 already?
Negligible. FO increase from 800 to 7ER is $5.28for 12 yr FO, so the 900 is a bad "replacement" from pay perspective. |
I flew with numerous SLC capts last week that were not thrilled about the 4833, but ultimately sounded like they were ok with that.
I've heard a few guys pounding their chest over 45%, but more often than not it seems like ALPA has managed the expectations. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1191945)
The sales pitch...
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1191945)
The sales pitch...
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1191942)
5 more years under this contract can save the company a enormous amount of money. Not to mention if its a 3 year contract they don't have to negotiate another for 8 years.
Carl |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1191945)
The sales pitch...
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1191977)
This is one of the reasons you get properly accused of scare tactics and expectations management. Our contract mandates NMB involvement 90 days after the amendable date. There is no way they will park us for 4 years and 9 months. No way. By March 2013 we'll be down to very few open items and very reasonable pay demands based on our company's massive profits and SWAPA's compensation. You do everyone a disservice (including the NMB) when you extrapolate the APA experience onto us.
Carl |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1191942)
I harbor no illusions about a no vote. The time value of money is real and the ability to be doing another contract in 2016 is huge verses 2020 or later.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1191942)
Now back to your regularly scheduled channel to cue Carl to blame it all on ALPA.
ALPA is our bargaining agent. Therefore ALPA is responsible...despite your efforts to deflect any blame for them even before we see the TA. Some things never change. Carl |
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