Ahh, if only it were so easy...

U see 3 new ac at the bottom of payrate chart...

T, you're so frustrating because you'll state one thing and when you get any dissent from agreement on your stated point you switch to another tangent on the subject. If that's your way of always winning and being "right", have at it. I'll give you this: if I did do as you suggested than I don't think I would be as fully informed had I not listened to or read some of the information that will be coming from DALPA to explain what's in the TA. You see, that's me not countering your post with a tangential argument just so I can avoid your point in an attempt to move on to something else. But back to the point; while presenting the facts of this TA via numerous mediums (can't wait to see all the flyers in my v-file) there will be a strong sell along with it. Who would expect anything less? Cadillac puts out some great commercials, expensive brochures, and if you talk to a salesman he's going to pump up the product like there's never been a better car ever made. It's a sell job. And have no doubt, that's what we're about to get, because if it were put out with just the facts, and all the facts it would have a much greater chance of not being accepted. The sad thing is the other salesmen aren't allowed on property to offer their information and tell the masses what the other side of the story is. That'll only come from individual research and word of mouth. Sadly, I don't have much faith in either of those overcoming the sell job our members have already been hit with.

Why wouldn't it be? Hypothetically, the company needed something to get this deal. What is our payout? We cooperated.. again. I see little substance here. But we are off track, and sailing's question is still unanswered. .. so I will rephrase:

What is it about our scope clause that let's DAL out of long term contracts with a 3rd party? My addition is: Why didn't we leverage that further? (and don't say we did, cause that's BS)

So I guess it IS easy to get language to help the company get rid of something they want to get rid of anyway... Got it. Sounds like we cooperated again for nothing.

Then so what? It's a sell job. BFD. What bugs me about the way guys use that term is that it has a vitriolic connotation to it. It has a connotation that it will be propaganda filled and lie packed. If that is not what you mean, then I apologize and I look forward to productive debate. If it IS what you mean, then you and I need communicate no further because I know where you stand, and frankly then I don't care to have any dialog with you. Let me know if that is the case and I will add you to the list with Carl and Bacon...

Bombardier is more than willing to eat 50-seater contracts if new 76-seaters are ordered. The sticking point is our contract permitting only 153 76-seat RJs.

Certainly that was worth money for the company to eliminate a loss-leading fleet and replace it with a newer more cost effective fleet.

Somehow our NC was unable to monetize the financial benefit to the company in a way that adds to a contract that was promised as "leading the industry." Because well before the RJ deal that was what TO promised to deliver to the Delta pilots.

The early opener, quick contract and scope relief should have returned some value on top of an industry-leading contract. The TA presented doesn't reflect the added value of industry-leading plus.

Cheers
George

Jesse,

I agree. What is the mechanism for the uncaring or naive yes-voter to see the cons of the TA? (because any TA has some.)

An email drive to all DL pilots? Is it against company policy to use the addresses in ICrew to contact folks with a con sheet? There are some smart guys here who could put one together, and 30 of us could email 400 pilots each. DPA must have some money to make copies for the VFiles. We'd have to watch ALPA, though...I could see them getting taken out and thrown away.

I'm not worried about the guys here who actually take the time to read it. There is plenty to hate and that's why the poll is running 90% no votes. I'm worried about the apathetic yes-voters who count on DALPA to feed them what they "need" to know. How many of those do we have?

Just keep reading these boards and the DALPA forums. This TA is gonna get ripped apart like it was a bloody steak thrown to a bunch of hungry Rottweilers..

I don't think it will be filled with lies. I have more respect for my reps than to assume such a thing. But while I appreciate their work and time, I do think one has view what is being presented with some skepticism to see what the TA is truly all about, and vote based on all the facts, not just those that are presented to them from DALPA.

Um, ok. SWA.